Bombay High Court To Consider Exempting Parsis from Two Child Norm

The government could consider exempting the Parsi community from the ‘two-child norm’, the Bombay high court suggested on Wednesday. Hearing a matrimonial dispute case between a city-based Parsi couple, a division bench of Justices P B Majmudar and Anoop Mohta was informed of incentives given to Parsi couples to have more children.

By Shibu Thomas | Times of India

"Late marriages or no marriages are the cause for the decline in the population,” the judges remarked. Bombay Parsi Punchayat chairman Dinshaw Meh- ta told the court that the community has offered benefits to couples who have more children.

"For a second child, a couple is paid Rs 3,000 per month and for having a third child, the family is offered Rs 5,000 per month. This maintenance amount is paid till the child turns 18,” Mehta said. "Other benefits for education expenses are also provided,” he added.

At this the court remarked that the community seems to be going against the government’s ‘two-child norm’. "You are going against the government scheme where having a third child is a disqualification for many things, including a government job or standing for elections,” said Justice Majmudar, adding, "But this may be needed to arrest the decline in the Parsi population. The legislature could consider granting the community an exemption from the two- child norm.”

As per the 2001 census, the population of Parsis had declined to 69,000 from 1.20 lakh in 1941. According to demographic trends, it is estimated that the Parsi population in India may fall to 20,000 by 2020.

Mehta told the court that Parsi couples are provided flats in colonies around the city where rents are nominal.

"The object of the community enclaves is to ensure Parsis stay together and marry within the community,” said Mehta. "Parsis are in an enviable position (as far as flats in the city are concerned),” the judges said, and asked Mehta if rich Parsis were also staying in such enclaves. "Many have Mercedes and BMWs in Cusrow Baug in Colaba,” Mehta replied.

Earlier, hearing another matter, the court appreciated the enterprise and philanthropy of the community. "Other communities should learn from the Parsis,” Justice Majmudar said.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    The Bombay High Court does not know what it is talking about. Nei-re-nei!  Jera bee nei!  Jera vachee ne to hasva gei!  Parsis are not dying out due to some high and mighty rule.  We are dying out due to the racist, crazy ideas of the BPP and the insane policy of not allowing converts, of not allowing the spouses of intermarriages, and of not allowing the children of intermarriages into the religion.  THAT is why we are dying out.  The two-child-norm has nothing to do with it.  AS IF Parsi couples are restraining from having children due to this silliness.  AS IF Parsi couples will be banging the sheets the moment they are exempt from this rule.  AS IF condoms and diaphrams and birth control pills will be flying out the windows of Parsi bedrooms because of this.  This whole article makes me laugh.  Oh, and before I forget, the fact that many Parsi young adults are not marrying because of their laziness (men) and overly high standards (women) is another factor.  Again, the Bombay High Court can do nothing about this.  (Of course I am only discussing the heterosexual young people here.)  All-in-all, the whole thing is a joke.  One big colossal joke.  Similar to the joke that Indians are in some way an offshoot of the Anglos and that Parsis are all Persian – both big farces.  Deekras, it is time to wipe the traces of vasanu from your faces and wake up and see the truth of what is going on.  Very simply, allow people into the religion and we will thrive.  Keep denying them entry and we will die out.  You do not need a masters degree in mathematics to figure this one out.  Rather than waste time on this gupsup nonsense, we can start having religious classes for non-Parsi spouses and their children. We can also have religious classes for people truly interested in joining the religion. But wait a minute!  That could possibly mean steering away from the BPP Nazi idea of racial purity, and, (shudder) a possible good use of all that money they are “entrusted” to and that will undoubtedly fall into their hands should things continue the way they are.   We can’t have that now, can we? Whatever the case, anything coming from the Bombay High Court will not change what is happening to the community.  Let us not waste any more time with this.  

  • Siloo Kapadia

    The Bombay High Court does not know what it is talking about. Nei-re-nei!  Jera bee nei!  Jera vachee ne to hasva gei!  Parsis are not dying out due to some high and mighty rule.  We are dying out due to the racist, crazy ideas of the BPP and the insane policy of not allowing converts, of not allowing the spouses of intermarriages, and of not allowing the children of intermarriages into the religion.  THAT is why we are dying out.  The two-child-norm has nothing to do with it.  AS IF Parsi couples are restraining from having children due to this silliness.  AS IF Parsi couples will be banging the sheets the moment they are exempt from this rule.  AS IF condoms and diaphrams and birth control pills will be flying out the windows of Parsi bedrooms because of this.  This whole article makes me laugh.  Oh, and before I forget, the fact that many Parsi young adults are not marrying because of their laziness (men) and overly high standards (women) is another factor.  Again, the Bombay High Court can do nothing about this.  (Of course I am only discussing the heterosexual young people here.)  All-in-all, the whole thing is a joke.  One big colossal joke.  Similar to the joke that Indians are in some way an offshoot of the Anglos and that Parsis are all Persian – both big farces.  Deekras, it is time to wipe the traces of vasanu from your faces and wake up and see the truth of what is going on.  Very simply, allow people into the religion and we will thrive.  Keep denying them entry and we will die out.  You do not need a masters degree in mathematics to figure this one out.  Rather than waste time on this gupsup nonsense, we can start having religious classes for non-Parsi spouses and their children. We can also have religious classes for people truly interested in joining the religion. But wait a minute!  That could possibly mean steering away from the BPP Nazi idea of racial purity, and, (shudder) a possible good use of all that money they are “entrusted” to and that will undoubtedly fall into their hands should things continue the way they are.   We can’t have that now, can we? Whatever the case, anything coming from the Bombay High Court will not change what is happening to the community.  Let us not waste any more time with this.  

  • Contradhongi

    Siloo, You would be happy to note that the eminent judges in Goolrukh  Gupta or Neha Gupta’s (if dhongees so prefer to call)matter have held that a woman acquires the religion of her husband. So now all non Parsee females married to Parsees are free to enter Fire Temples and none can stop them for if the priests prevent their entry, they would be in contempt. At least in Gujarat, that would be the prevailing law. It is time to rejoice for ‘liberals’ and time for dhongees to sit and think instead of indulging in pontification. 

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia

    You are only infatuated with the idea of conversion.  Nothing else.  I understand that first you were based in USA and now you are in Singapore.  You are having a Nazi idea of our religion being superior to others ie. the superior religion.  With this concept,  we(Parsis) will have to step of toes of other powerful religions like Hinduism, Muslim, Catholic, Sikh and Buddhists all of which will fight tooth and nail against your Superior Religion (Nazi) concept.  As per the laws in India, Sec 295A of Indian Criminal Code can be invoked for  creating religious disturbance and harming religious peace.  Recently, this has been invoked against a Pastor in Bangalore. 

    Being a rich person your solution is a very easy one like of that of Queen Marie Antoinette of France.

    From you comments, I get the feeling that you are an overpampered person,  living a life of luxury whose daughters having married outside and who have never undergone the rigours of being a minority in a religious minded country like India.

    First come to India and start converting and then challenge Sec. 295A of Indian Criminal Code. Also take steps to  prevent the fanatic mobs from desecrating and destroying our AtashBehrams and Agiaries.

    Regularly prayer meets of minority communities like christains are targeted and desecreted in Mumbai the most Cosmopolitan City in India and nothing is done.  Atleast there one event per week.  Please read the national and local Indian papers in this regards.

    In my opinion Conversions if any should have been started centuries ago irrespective of the race of the person converting.

    Also, only if the present BPP and Akabars of the Parsi Community can create a community sense (Zoroastrian ) which is totally absent can the community survive.

    You can’t eat the cake and have it too.

  • xyz

    Dinshaw Mehta is fooling High Court. He has not done anything for removing unemployment from the community. He is giving flats to rich and famous – even three flats per person also. Out-of-Turn flats are given to Trustees themselves without following merit rating schemes. There are many who are waiting since more than 30 years for subsidised housing with no hopes in the near future. What he has done to reduce no. of court cases from 900 to 9. Can he do that ??  Uptil now bpp was paying only Rs 1,000/- for third child i.e. till 31st march, 2012.  Now he is saying that he is paying Rs 5,000/- per child per month for the third child. Really fooling people. He is also not in favour of introducing Election Code of Conduct. Why ?? All big talks with negative results. I wish some Good sense prevails upon him becasuse he is an uncrowned king of bpp with other 6 as dummpy puppets just saying yes sir everytime. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Piloomani,

    First of all I have never stated that our religion is superior to any other religion, only that people should have the right to enter the religion if they choose to do so.  As it is they are forbidden to enter and that is what I am against.

    That said and done, it is not I that is the Nazi, but YOU and your BPP friends who are more than willing to allow the community to die out due to out-dated, racist ideas of racial purity and the such.  Not only do you NOT want converts, you disdain the children of mixed marriages as well as the spouses of such marriages.  Some of you would go so far as to not only prevent the spouses from the religion entry, but to kick out the Parsis who married them.  Shame on you all.

    Next, wasn’t it YOU who made the quasi-atheist and anti-Zoroastrian statement in your other rant against me?  If I remember correctly (hell, I’ll just copy and paste) you said 

    “WHERE IS THE RELIGION OF AHURAMAZDA.  Why did he not protect these innocent
    people.   Let the religion take its natural path to extinction, why create
    artificial temporary remedies.”

    Remember that, Piloomani deekree? 

    So it makes we wonder why YOU should care at all who enters the religion in the first place. You think I had a life of luxury?  Pampered?  You and that idiot Phiroze know nothing about me and how we suffered in our lives.  I do know, however, that it is thanks to people like you that not only is the community dwindling, but children of inter-religious marriages are mistreated by many members of the community.  This is a DAMNED SHAME and can be attributed to this crazy view that Parsis must not intermarry. In fact, it is YOU and people that think like you that are the Nazis and I hope to high heaven that the Indian government will do something to get the money out of your clutches.  

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Piloomani,

    First of all I have never stated that our religion is superior to any other religion, only that people should have the right to enter the religion if they choose to do so.  As it is they are forbidden to enter and that is what I am against.

    That said and done, it is not I that is the Nazi, but YOU and your BPP friends who are more than willing to allow the community to die out due to out-dated, racist ideas of racial purity and the such.  Not only do you NOT want converts, you disdain the children of mixed marriages as well as the spouses of such marriages.  Some of you would go so far as to not only prevent the spouses from the religion entry, but to kick out the Parsis who married them.  Shame on you all.

    Next, wasn’t it YOU who made the quasi-atheist and anti-Zoroastrian statement in your other rant against me?  If I remember correctly (hell, I’ll just copy and paste) you said 

    “WHERE IS THE RELIGION OF AHURAMAZDA.  Why did he not protect these innocent
    people.   Let the religion take its natural path to extinction, why create
    artificial temporary remedies.”

    Remember that, Piloomani deekree? 

    So it makes we wonder why YOU should care at all who enters the religion in the first place. You think I had a life of luxury?  Pampered?  You and that idiot Phiroze know nothing about me and how we suffered in our lives.  I do know, however, that it is thanks to people like you that not only is the community dwindling, but children of inter-religious marriages are mistreated by many members of the community.  This is a DAMNED SHAME and can be attributed to this crazy view that Parsis must not intermarry. In fact, it is YOU and people that think like you that are the Nazis and I hope to high heaven that the Indian government will do something to get the money out of your clutches.  

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia

    You have correctly mentioned your motive “MONEY”, that is all that people like you care about the religion.
    Had there been no Money in the community none of the so called Parsi women married outside, cared about the religion or gone to the courts.  It is thanks to those noble souls long ago and the appreciation of the land values in Mumbai that the community is having money.  None of the present day ultra rich industrialists contributed anything to the community.  As far as BPP is concerned their schemes are on paper only.  It is all talk and no work.  Even if all our trusts are nationalized, the money will be only used by the majority community and no one else.  It shows the level which  you can stoop to achieve your objectives.  Only a Parsi women can be such anti-Community and stoop to such low levels.  No other woman from any other community in the world can be so anti-Community.  As can be seen in history of the Zoroastrian community, you can get traitors by dime and Zoroastrian women and Athorans would be the cream of the traitors in the community. 

  • Phiroze

    Siloo deeeeekree, if you all suffered in your lives it is your KARMA. I do not need to know anything about stupid losers like you’ll.

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia

    Are you aware of the  Shirdi Sai Baba Trust which was taken over by Govt. and the Trustees all belong to political factions.  There was so much misuse of funds that the Court had to intervene to prevent some of the overtly tainted members from continuing.  Nevertheless, the misuse of funds will always continue as in their some other politicians will take over as trustees.  Throughout India whenever Govt. intervenes the situation becomes from bad to worse.  So foolish lady do not make such silly statements. 

    As far as minute amounts of conversions are concerned the priests should due care before proceeding in the matter. 

    Conversions in America which were conducted with much funfare in the last twenty/thirty years have failed and most of the converted people and their progeny have in turn to converted to larger denominations of religions.  It is a total failure.

    As far as discriminations against children of intermarried parents where the navjote is DISTINCTLY PERMITTED by our religion and priests, I personally abhore the discriminations.  It is very unfortunate.  They should get all the rights of a Parsi Zoroastrian and no less. 

    If you read the history of Iran some of revivalist movements after the conquest of Iran by Arab Caliphs like Sunpadh, Bihafrid, Behafrid, Ostadsis, Ustadis, Khorramudin movements which were disguised Zoroastrain movements failed as they were betrayed by the Athorans who thought that instead of their authority being eroded better betray the movements which would have definitely reintroducted atleast these Zoroastrian Sects in Iran, Tajikisthan and Afghanistan.

     

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia

    Are you aware of the  Shirdi Sai Baba Trust which was taken over by Govt. and the Trustees all belong to political factions.  There was so much misuse of funds that the Court had to intervene to prevent some of the overtly tainted members from continuing.  Nevertheless, the misuse of funds will always continue as in their some other politicians will take over as trustees.  Throughout India whenever Govt. intervenes the situation becomes from bad to worse.  So foolish lady do not make such silly statements. 

    As far as minute amounts of conversions are concerned the priests should due care before proceeding in the matter. 

    Conversions in America which were conducted with much funfare in the last twenty/thirty years have failed and most of the converted people and their progeny have in turn to converted to larger denominations of religions.  It is a total failure.

    As far as discriminations against children of intermarried parents where the navjote is DISTINCTLY PERMITTED by our religion and priests, I personally abhore the discriminations.  It is very unfortunate.  They should get all the rights of a Parsi Zoroastrian and no less. 

    If you read the history of Iran some of revivalist movements after the conquest of Iran by Arab Caliphs like Sunpadh, Bihafrid, Behafrid, Ostadsis, Ustadis, Khorramudin movements which were disguised Zoroastrain movements failed as they were betrayed by the Athorans who thought that instead of their authority being eroded better betray the movements which would have definitely reintroducted atleast these Zoroastrian Sects in Iran, Tajikisthan and Afghanistan.

     

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, you had all this time to think of a reply to me and this is the best you could come up with?  Idiot. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, you had all this time to think of a reply to me and this is the best you could come up with?  Idiot. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    No Piloomani, it is not all about money. Money is a part of it, but so is keeping the religion and community alive, honor and dignity for children of intermarriages, as well as allowing people who truly love the religion to be welcomed into the fold.   However, the way things are going the whole community will die out and the government will get the money in the end. Is that OK with you?  

    Of course they will have to be a part of the community and not just have their hands out. But the way things stand, very very soon the community will be dead. Is that OK?  Perhaps for you, a quasi atheist, that is fine.  You have clearly stated your “faith” in your past posts.  That is fine. But for me, that is NOT fine.  I want our community to LIVE.  I want Parsi Gujrati to flourish. I want my boys to know they are part of a living and growing community that is open to all true believers, NOT part of some Nazi-like cult on the verge of extinction.  

    Piloomani, it is time to wipe the dhansaak from your face and GET A CLUE.  

  • Siloo Kapadia

    No Piloomani, it is not all about money. Money is a part of it, but so is keeping the religion and community alive, honor and dignity for children of intermarriages, as well as allowing people who truly love the religion to be welcomed into the fold.   However, the way things are going the whole community will die out and the government will get the money in the end. Is that OK with you?  

    Of course they will have to be a part of the community and not just have their hands out. But the way things stand, very very soon the community will be dead. Is that OK?  Perhaps for you, a quasi atheist, that is fine.  You have clearly stated your “faith” in your past posts.  That is fine. But for me, that is NOT fine.  I want our community to LIVE.  I want Parsi Gujrati to flourish. I want my boys to know they are part of a living and growing community that is open to all true believers, NOT part of some Nazi-like cult on the verge of extinction.  

    Piloomani, it is time to wipe the dhansaak from your face and GET A CLUE.  

  • Phiroze

    Stupid Slow Siloo deeeeekreeee, I do not waste time in replying to a person who suffered for ones KARMA !!!!! Jevi karni thevi bharni !!!!! Check the timeline of the posts.

  • Phiroze

    Stupid Slow Siloo deeeeekreeee, I do not waste time in replying to a person who suffered for ones KARMA !!!!! Jevi karni thevi bharni !!!!! Check the timeline of the posts.

  • xyz

    BPP has again fooled parsi community. He had clarified that he will pay Rs 5,000/- per child for third child assistance. Last week again he paid @ Rs 1,000/- only per month. This is the way All trustees have fooled Honourable High Court once again. Shame upon you.

  • xyz

    BPP has again fooled parsi community. He had clarified that he will pay Rs 5,000/- per child for third child assistance. Last week again he paid @ Rs 1,000/- only per month. This is the way All trustees have fooled Honourable High Court once again. Shame upon you.