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As far as decieving the laity due to this, it again shows yor thirst to find loop holes..abd againd devoid of historical knowledge..
I had earlier pointed put how the muktaad days came to becoming 18 during the sasanian times due to calender being destroyed/lost during the burnin of the library and other exts and killing of priests by Alexander and byzantine wars thereafter.
The importance is of observing the practise and to get te calender back on track….as the chineese saying goes as long as the cat cathches mice, it does not matter weather its back or grey…Here in you missed the point again or purposefully do so to encourage your ignrance and also find loop holes..
I hope atleat now you are satisfies that cotton was present during Zarathushtra’s time and hope you have found out about the Zoroastrian Persian kingdom maintaining ice n thus cold water also about the architecual wonders in Persia during the aechmenid times…i mean how coudl one be so ignorant when it is a known gact that complex road systems were known to exist during Daraus’s time and also the term Dinar could have come from Darays’s system of coinage..and you blame them of not haing digging tools!!

As far as personal comments about me wanting my name appearing and thus I write..well atleast it does appear with facts, history, and evidence and also at tmes submitting to history and other view points …and not taking shelter in such after passing judgement without knowing about the subject..
Atleast some readers may get an insight to history and knowledge thru my lenghty posts though at times having typological erors..which again you guys find solace in..As i have previously written that m aim is not to convince you guys but to dissemitate facts to others and you help by passing negativity without reading about the subject..
I guess as you malign every effort, and history, facts and evdence pointing the other way, your last recourse is to atack people personally..

You guys one one and take bits and pieces for showcasing that the zoroastrians are sickly lot cause they inbreed though we have one of the longest life spans, have the same illness’s as any other community be it sikhs, christians muslims, jains, ladakis, tibetans,or small groups from the andamans…then you guys go and and contradict tat by saying the zoroastrians of India are already mixed up cause they couldnt have go the population s high wihiout converting..!!!!
So which one is it?

It was your cotoire that said that there were no tools in Persia to dig, Archelogical evidence is not real proof, Cotton was not there during Zarathushtra’s time, the ignorance of how muktaad days are 10 DAYS and yet passed judgements, oppose any move for strenghtening any system using modern technology and comPare this to colecting old news papers and starting an aviary project to butchery..also passed on judgement and then asked for books and references which again you guys banished..

I hope you guys have fathomed a simple trait and solution of learning the whys of a subject, then finding out ways to achieve a goal and then implementing it instead of chanellisng such to family planning.

By the way.. according to WHO–AMERICA REPRESENTS 25% OF ALZHEIMERS DISEASE though they represent only 4.6% of world population!!

The Youth need our adult support and in fact this person was actually holding us responsible for not teaching their generation the right way to go! I wasn’t trying to blame-shift when I replied that ours was indeed the Lost Generation for it was ours who were unfortunate enough to have lost out on real religious knowledge unless some of us were lucky enough to have mothers who read to us Tales from the Shahnameh as they did from Shakespeare, as bedtime stories!

The Kabrajees of this world and as we have now foiund out, are merely trying to open up newer war fronts to support their Spenta University and jaffu’s intentions to destroy us all. Why don’t these ’students’ tell us openly which University they are learning all this religious stuff at? And why don’t they tell us who exactly their professors are? As to that obviously loaded questionnaire with its made up answers, one doesn’t need to be a Rhodes scholar to realise that there was something definitely stinky rotten in the State of Denmark!

With some grace, (I) can perhaps pass off as a ‘student’ of our religion,
Now that we all can look deeper at the real truth and the intentions behind such attempts at destruction by dilution, no amount of grace would ever help this Kersee person to be classified as even a student of Zoroastrianism! He’d be thrown out of pre-nursery!

Now I cannot quite fathom this Diana Doctor’s place in all this nor can I understand why Working Zoroastrians who have always claimed to not be interested in religious matters, have allowed this sort of article to be published at their site – specially since it is so heavily anti-establishment like some teenaged renegade rebel without a cause! Time to wake up admins/owners and stick to your oft stated intentions!
ShirinMAI!

AND we are told our ‘System’ will be Eco Friendly(!) Blood and Naso will ADD to Sacredness of Doongerwadi we are expected to believe?
Some body urgently requires crash course in Environmental Studies.

Your second question is that ‘If some of the high priests have great knowledge of our religion (being highly respected in USA), what use is it to the community, if they do not give regular discourses on various aspects of our religion
The answer is that regular classes were/are held..yet why did or do they fizzle out…look into your 1st question..where in you pass a judgement ‘Is the community satisfied and happy with the role of ‘commercial prayer chanters’—prayers of which they themselves do not understand a word ?’..!!

Now if they didnt understand a word, why are they respected in circles of universities and scholars(real ones not pseudo ones that claim they are ‘Ratus’..)
Secondly do you think anyone wud waste time in being labeled by people who claim to be students yet pass negative judgement on teachers respected in scholarly circles and renowned world univs.

So again its the routine of eating the cake and having it too with yiou guys…when the scholarly priests say something..banish their words by armchair philosophy, find loop holes in maligning systems, when contradicted with proofs, malign the people and priests, when they walk away from such, blame them for not distrubuting knowledge..!!
kudos to your endevaours..
Mr Kersee Heres a question to you, how many books of Dr Kotwal, Dr Jamasasa, Dr Karanjia who are trying to distribute wealth of knowledge have you read before passing such Judgements..ironically as a student..

As far as you statements on man made system on dokhmenishini…one can claim that to zoroastrianism itself, infact any systems…but as a student you have missed the pages wherein the whys of dokhmenishini are stated with regards to zoroastrianism ….

Lastly take resort in change being arbitaraly good and new overwhelming the old and try and float a boat after changing archimedes principles since its old..or newtons law etc..

Interestingly your new and old concept for changing zoroastrianism has the same message that was passed on by Alexander, The byzantines and the Arabs as they all had newer versions, though the man called zarathushtra and his message has relevance today…refer to the thumb rule of decomposition..for example..or the message of lighted beings surounding the earth during dawn n dusk —called Glenn effect..or the message in Mahbokhtar that explains the mooncycles and effects…

Surprisingly again you claim to be a student of zoroastrianism yet once again pass Judgement and even want to change it at such an early stage…

Also in the endeavour of changing zoroastrianism since change is yuor mantra…I wonder how you guys keep on the road and stick to your agenda of changing zoroastrianism as your own agendas should keep changing…

Please feel free to start Kabraji’ism if you feel Zoroastranism does not meet the times…feel free to ask people to follow you, but please do not take such a freedom to change Zoroastrianism as it wud then not be Zoroastranism but a workshop of peoples taste…

The second one is from the Autobiography of Dastur Dr. M.N. Dhalla, Late High Priest of Parsees in Sind and North-West Provincies (page 601).
‘Dokhminishi is not a system created by Almighty—it is a man-made system. The system of disposing the corpse has been rendered sacred custom because of its practice for three thousand years. Yet, even its three-thousand-year-old tradition of sanctity has not endowed it with immortality. With the change of times and circumstances its sway has come to an end. Dokhminishi is merely a tradition. The demolition of tradition is not destruction of religion. Tradition is not religion. In understanding, digesting and acknowledging this fact lies the wisdom of all concerned.’
So, my dear ‘Traditionalist’ friends, let us be clear that time-tested or otherwise, tradition is not religion and non-observance of tradition does not mean non-observance of religion.

I am sorry his has turned out to be rather long but I thought of reacting to the messages rather than keeping silent

As far as you loop holes to stop strenghtening the dokhmenishini system thru aviary you also had previously stated that there shud be no sudeh as there was no cotton productiion during zarathushtra’s time..

Your armchair rationalism is shattered by scientific reaserch that u guys are averse of and as dhongi claims archelogical evidence is not evidence…

‘This suggests that spinning (and presumably weaving practices)
began in the later Neolithic during the early to mid-Second Millennium BC.’

‘The evidence from Inamgaon in Maharashtra,suggests a similar pattern of increasing importance of spinning in the late Second Millennium BC’

‘Almost all spindle whorl finds come from Southern Neolithic Phase III, which dates from
1800-1300 BC’

‘Fibre-adapted forms were developed later,but even so use of fibres had begun before the end of the Neolithic in Southwest Asia, i.e. by ca. 7000-6000
BC’
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/silva/archaeology/staff/profiles/fuller/PDFs/TextilesbeyondIndus.pdf

Ofcourse since you think conservation of fauna thru its diet is butchery, your wisdom may allow you to contact vaious scientists, science bodies, conservationists, National geography and ask them to put a stop to al such that aid conservation of species.

The loopholes found by you guys to stop zoroastrian systems and meet your demands have the same results as those who tried and extinguish Zoroastrian practises and records and books by Alexander and thosen who wanted to convert Zoroastrians to the faith of the Byzantines and later on the Arabs

As far as the statement of inbreeding goes, now the group who had previously blame all illness in zoroastrian to inbreeding claim that we had converted others and thus mixed up and thus should convert.Its high time,such made up their minds whilst levelling charges.
I add here that if one goes to a parsi hospital he will see many parsis there with sickness yet it is akin going to Punjab and inferring that all men have turbans in the world.
Again whilst resecrhing such, the consequences of an environment and social culture and diets have been left out.
Alzheimiers plays a major factor in americans, though the americans can be said to be the most mixed up with regards to genes.
As is the case of the anti dakhma group who still havent realised that the thumb rule of decomposition is oxidisation…Oxidization plays a large role in decomposing a corpse and a well recognized THUMN RULE of DECOMPOSITION is that a corpse will decompse TWICE AS FASTER IN AIR THAN WATER AND 4 TIMES FASTER IN AIR THAN BURIED.The ill effects of burial systems are visible and now is that they have vertical burials. Since lack of space and decomposition being very slow. This in spite that europes population is on a decline.Deep burial increases decomposition time and with the formation of Adipocere making it impossible to use the same graves again.

I do value your opinion of prayers and promoting the faith, yet what is highlighted is that many who want to convert others to zoroastrianism wanto to first change it without understanding the principles of it!!

@ Phiroz and dhongi..
You could not fathom a simple trait that is used in any system be it business or normal planing.i.e.read about it, find ways to implement it and then Implement it. Thus in you example of ABC i mentioned Humata , hukhta and huvarashtra..find out the whys of the subject, ponder ways to achieve it and lastly implement it. You can feel free to go off on a tangent with family planning etc..
On your statement of going to another agiary, it is not the zoroastrians who want to preserve the faith as left by the saviours that have decided this, it is you guys who do not like, condemn, and shout on roof tops and shelter in any loopholes to demand a change as if its ure birthright. Since you guys do not like and claim its all talibinatic etc,though not being shoved down your throats, you guys yourself have chanellised such.Ocourse once again here too you highlight the thirst to eat the cake and have it too…i.e demand a change, if not found suitable malign everything, when not asked to follow, demand a shut down of the whole system..so when are you gonna be satisfied, you are not when we do not ask you to follow zoroastrianism as left by the saviours
you are not asked to contribute towards it, pray do not hamper process of strenghteming systems, yet that does not suit you
You want rules set by the makers of agiaries to be nulified just because the donors of such are dead, you denounce the systems as left by the savours of z’ism and then want a piece of it too..c’mon guys atleast find out what u guys want..

@ Dhongi dox..On your quote of me wanting you going back to the 17th century..
Firstly if you think using moderrn technology, scientific methods, world expertise in preserving anything , be it flora, fauna, structures, systems cultures etc is pushinhg you backwards, well that highlights your wisdom..
Secondly dokhmenishini system is much older than the 17th century. I thought you’d read the quotes and books after u demanded proof of such existing. But ofcourse you deny archelogical existence as being proof..
Lastly Zoroastrianism is also much older, please feel free not to follow it if you think its pushing you to the dark ages, but please do not demand things be changed, shut down due to your feelings.

I shall make this a bit more lenghtier but shall quote from Zoroastrian texts . In the Gathas and other texts it s quoted that Life and its promoter Ahura Mazda has nothing in common with Death, pain sickness etc.Nor wil these 2 spirits have anything in common nor shall have in thought, they are opposing entities and death is seen as a temporary victory of evil over good.The role of demon AtahiWad comes in then,.
To counter or contain evils victor then with regards to Zoroastrianism, certain do’s n donts again with regards to zoroastrian philosophy come in play.
It seems so true today that the temporary victory of anti Mazda with reg. to death really makes some mazda worshippers promote practises that go contrary to mazdayasny philosophy. All in the name of alerting and reforming Zoroastrianism.