Welcome to our group. Some narrow minded bawas are bound to raise objection, since you have brought up this 3 year old topic now. They will label you with all sorts of adjectives.

Get ready for an attack from Dhongidox and his bandwagon.

so all arguments here better be put aside and just try to spread the words of Ahura-Mazda’s prophet.

Tara you talk about extiction.Let me ask you this, have the zoroastrians who followed intermarriage, following other beliefs etc hav they become in thei next gen non zoroastrians or at most navjoted zoroastrians or are the Zoroastrians that follow Zoroastrianism as it is become extinct.
Do a survey of intermarried zoroastriansim. Do they follow Zooastrianism Are they not influenced by sunday mass and satsangs and just because one parent is a zoroastrian, proclaim to be zoroastrians.
Also are the abro’s of Australia , the tribes of Amazon , the tribes of Andamans, extict? Ull find that he red Indians are extinct since they have lost their roots due to fusing!
And if at all zoroastrians becomes extinct would you want it to be remembered or studied as a wonderfull mazdayasnian religion or would you want banal beliefs an a mixture of things that wud go against mazdayasnism to be represented as zoroastrianism just as the burka is wrongly being potrayed as part of persianism and like Xerxes was wrongly potrayed as barabarian!

Mazdayasni Zoroastrianism and thus Persianism is being fused by it being misrepresented. Persian names are being used by people that follow ANTI PERSIAN customs.Of course nothing can be done about this but atleast we should learn by such examples of fusing to avoid ourselves being dissolved by a larger section who may wrongly represent the term Persianism and thus Mazdayasnism.This with the lack of mazdayasni knowledge amongst the Persians of today, i.e The Parsi’s adds in us sending the wrong message to the comming zoroastrian generation. Ofcourse the Parsi Punchayat is busy infighting, Dinshaw v/s Dinshaw(remember Kramer v/s Kramer) and in being pragmatic!?* by giving up on the dokhmaneshini system and system that help us maintain our identity. For this many pseudo organistaion have risen up to open up our agiaries! Has anyone taken notice of a bill passed in India for giving travel concessions to all communtites of Inia to go on Pilgrimage , just like the muslims have when they go to Haj. Can the punchayat and the directors of this and that pay attention to such so that zoroastrian childen can be taken to the lands of their forfathers to know about Persian kjungs and their lineage before iot is too late!
It is indeed better to have wise enemies than foolish friends. Toay we have literate doctors and lawers that after taking benefits from the goodwill of being Parsi’s want to fuse it so that Zoroastrianism changes drastically. Fortunatelu for them, te result of their deeds based on ego now will be fased not by them but by the next gen zoroastrians.

Accordingly, Zoroastrian tradition and the Avesta Yashts are replete with the specific missions of the illustrious mazdayasni’s saintly kings from Gayomard, Hoshang,Tehmurasp, Jamshid, Fredun, etc, to Kaikobad, Kaikaus, Kaikhushru, and
the saintly paladins like Kersasp, Rustom, Faramarz, Aspandiar,etc, all of whom belonged to the Paoiryo-tkaesha class.The Shahnameh talks about constant long-drawn wars between the Mazdayasnis and the Daevayasnis, which took epic proportions as described by Firdausi.

If you go according to language , again we may come across a hurdle since avesta was spoken much earlier than it was transformed into writings.The old gathic avesta is supposed to predate vedik sanskrit.Vedik sanskrit is supposed to be the language of the harapa and mohenjadaro civilisation. That takes us back to around 2500 bc.
According to wikipedia”Avestan is an Eastern Old Iranian language that was used to compose the sacred hymns and canon of the Zoroastrian Avesta”
As Zoroasters birth differs according to different scholars and interpretation, so dos the dateline of oral avesta, and thus the start of mazdayasni’s.

But again let us look at the topic of discussion here. How come avesta is associated with mazdayasnism and Zoroastriaism especially when you have formed an opinion of persianism being different from zoroastrianism and mazdayasnism being different from zoroastrianism and the rest. How come the mazdayasni saintly kings acording to firdousi wore the sudreh and kusti and spoke of Ahura Mazda if they were supposd to be different from Zoroastrianism according to you. Again you have just helped i proving what i said about mazdayasnism and zoroastrianism being same and that zarathushtra only preached mazdayasnism.This was debated by you even though i gave you proof from the prayers and the zand avesta.But as i said earlier your questions and finding loop holes take you back.
Darayus writing about lineage i shall copy here.
“parsa parsahya puthra arya aryachithra”, meaning, (I am) Parsi, the son of a Parsi, an Aryan, of Aryan lineage!

Now why does he talk about lineage. Some one asked me to prove my lineage, again i ask that person if he wud see with yellow eyes darayus’s inscription!!!!

Hey fariborz , atleast once answer my questions ,
1) how come after all the plunders by the mauradeers, after all the texts being burnet, after all agiaries being turned over as other religious places by the dertuctive attitude by early christians to term everything else as heresy and paganism and then later by the early arabs, after the migration to a land where there wasnt a dokhma nor a agiary , we survived and our faith grew.
2)Was it not because of the wisdom of the zoroastrians that protected it and rekidled it after their arrival in India.
ARE YOU SMARTER THAN THEM and shud we forsake history for your philosphy. We speak about zoroastrianism because it exists, and it exists solely due to the preservation of the Zoroastrians that came to India and followed its principles thru time and gen’s Shud we give that up and take up on ure ideas? Wud ure ideas have been able to resurect zoroastrianism.
3) Like you shud we close our eyes to The LIVE EXAMPLES of present day tribes of thr amazon ,andamans. the coorgs,and even large countrieslike Saudi , muscats and Kuwait,that folow suit so not to be fused with the philosophy of the larger population .Will it be wise for the prsent day gen zoroastrians or persians, to give that up and follow your philosophy and the attitude of’ What suits me’ type of history’
4)Again i ask arnt the zoroastrian or the Persian place of worship safe due to our non converting identity.Isnt navroz a festival of mazdayasnis now seen as a festival of all those who now live in what was persia.

5) Arnt mazdayasni names like Rustom , kurush, nariman , fariborz , adil etc widely used in many islamic places including egypt, showcase the misdentity and roots of the names. Arnt our identity fused by this?

6)Wasnt Xexes misrepresented. Wasnt Xerxes, Cyrus , Darayus , Ardeshir etc mazdayasnis according to you?If you agree they were mazdayasnis then why wud u dissassociate perisnism and zoroastrianism.
It is widely talked even on news shows that 300 was a showcase for the tensions of present day gulf scenario.Due to ignorance werent the Persians and thus zoroastrian kings being potrayed wrongly.

On what basis scientifically, hisorically or mythologically are you potraying your ideas.
And hey what i say is not my idea, its history written by many scholars and persens established with doctorates in the specific field. Are you right and even they wrong?
Fariborz never once have i skirted around your questions, now atlleast once answer mine

My debate with you started at the point that I noticed, you claimed yourself that zoroastrian religion belongs to a specific race and your ancestores all were zoroastrian and nobody can convert to zoroastrian religion. right? Let’s finish this subject asap, just answer me in a short reply,

When did Zoroastrian (Mazdaism) religion start? .

I can easily say, if somebody in past 500 years ago, (with whatevr religion that you name it which it doesn’t matter) travelled to Suadi they became Saudis. because they mix and there have mixed kids and so on. All of them became Saudis. The restriction and thought of that a human can’t be part of a race, is called racism. (which I refered to you in my early posts that you are racist, just because of your thoughts).

Because of mixing Persians with people, with different religions and different cultures from different part of the world in that era, doesn’t allow anybody to say, they are not persian. the new generation, was persian and is persian.

As much as Persian race spreaded in the world, the other races spreaded too. it is obvious. for example, inter-tribal marriage, inter-country marriage was a custom to make better bonds. it was a nature of human being, to learn, to teach and most of all, to evolve.

(for example, I know there were egyptian race in Persian and nowadays in Iran but we call them Persian we won’t call them Egyptian. also other races)

This is part of your post:
“Then there are many others whose lineage goes to the roots of those who tried to christianise Persia, that is those who took shelter in Persia and then turned against the religion of persians i.e zoroastrianism and most whose lineage goes to those from islam that tried to islamise zoroastrianism.”

So what? If you want to live with this obsession that other religions destroyed Zoroastrians, I am gonna tell you, you can keep blaming others but the reality is not what your ancestores wrote for you, the reality is The Zoroastrian religion was ruined because of religious leaders which power and money made them fool and Zoroastrians (people mostly settled in Persia) was looking for a new idea that answer to their questions and actually this need was a point to other religions to introduce themselves to Zoroastrians.
(most of the time, samething applies to other religions which they got corrupted and their believers looking for new ideas and justice, which corrupted religion couldn’t bring it back)

Being rational is not gonna hurt you, I am gonna ask you, yourself, I don’t want your logical mind to reply me, ok?

If Zoroastrian religion was a powerful religion (which it was) and people love that religion, how come Zoroastrians at that time, didn’t use all Zoroastrians power and fight back against who wanted to convert them? how come?
Don’t you think there were injustice and corruption which made people to runaway and seek for something new and real thing, at the first place? and after that the other religion missionaries brought their new idea to Persia land.

Even if you study society at the meantime, you can tell, society will go after their needs. Power (religion or politics and etc.) can push them for awhile but not forever.

Don’t sleep with this false information. it doesn’t matter they wrote in books or your ancestor brought to you, think about it.

The irony again is that you keep arguing on the same thing by skirting the real isue and degressing when it suits you but again in every feable try you make , you only end up strenghteing what i say, as yo rightly pointed out that persia encompassed of tajikistan , ajerbaijan etc. Today both are islamic, will you go and say that the original persians were islamic?
Hey Darayus and xerxes went to Egypt and Greek , wud you say that Darayus was egyptian or the egyptian were persians.Proof existes that he was a Zoroastrian and proud if his lineage. If you want see the carving in Iran, if you want ill send the translation across. Yaeh but then if you say that he was a christian or since bla bla then i dont have time for that.
Fariborz you wants to desprately be included in ‘Persianism’ due to the splendour of Persia and its people the mazdayasni zoroastrians. But you do not want to accept the brutality and treachory it did against it. So the next thing is to do away with parts of history.Like the TAliban who banned navroz since they say it brought in unislamic culture in theirs. Tell me why do the muslims celebtrate Navroz. It is a mazdayasnian festival. It is a fstival of those people whose religion was destroyed by islamic thirst to convert. Then why celebrate something that belong to a culture you destroyed. Isnt navroz now being seen a festival of muslims since the number of muslims celebrating it out numbers the whole original persians to whom the festival is associated with in roots!
Again the fusing of navroz has left it being misrepresented.
The Persian names you claim belong to the ones that followed mazdayasni zoroastrianism, which was destroyed by people that now claim the names associate them with their lineage!!!!!.Again this could nt be helped as the few persians cannot stop people from having names , yet it is a fact that now as afriborz or rustom or nariman, it cud be associated with cultures that destroyed the cultures of fariborz , rustoam and nariman!.
Again it boils down to maintinaing our ethinicity ,all your examples show how by fusing one thing with another,ethinicity gets diluted. 300 fused Xerxes and Persian culture since the west sees persianism as it is potrayed today by majority occupying Persian lands.As per your theory Persianism shud include everything as many cultures were present and allowed to be practised when the Persians were in power.
Hats off as you are nly turn the deeds of Persians and their religion of Ahura Mazda and their sweetness into its weakness. Yes the remaining few Persians have finally reached a stage where they are in danger of being fused.

Again, I make it simple for you. just simple give me a date for following question, ok? please just date, no explanation.

1. When did Zoroastrian (Mazdaism) religion start?

Then I will get back to you and analyse again all your claims in the first postings (to me).

Again you’re applying your understanding of contemporary citizenship of some contemporary countries to 6000 years ago?!!!

First, at that era when a tribes attack another one, mostly females got rape and they had kids (no matter what their mother had a different religion or race) from attackers, which persians were good fighters and they got many victories and so on.

Second, Persians have migrated to many countries even in that era. Also they were and are in Kuwait and UAE (your samples) and right now, they are original citizen in those countries. (in following a definition of Persian and list of countries which Persians can be found easily at the meantime)

Third, The citizenship law that you are talking about, applies to now, not to that era, even not past 500 years ago!

Fourth, at that area, when an emperor, like Persia or Rome, occupy a land and people, they used to consider new land and people under same name (Persia or Rome) and they were exchanging traditions and they were marriages and so on. so the Persian (or Rome) race and heritage, spread in occupied lands.
so even they were and are Persians by race in those occupied lands, not just in Iran

These are history and actual events in history which no one can change it, no matter you like it or not.

So Persian race, spread all over the world since Persian emperor era by now.

Persians (definition):
Persians are the main ethnic group of Iran and are the majority and dominant ethnic group of Iran. They also inhabit in neighboring countries particularly in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, and Uzbekistan and in these countries they are usually thought of as sub-groups. Significant numbers of Persians also reside outside of these countries, with the largest communities found in the United States, Germany, England, Israel, Canada, Kuwait, France, Italy, Turkey. Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, and the UAE also have large populations of Persian descendants, referred to as Ajamis. Smaller communities are also found in surrounding countries and the Arabian Peninsula.

Persians can also be found outside of Iran and include the Tajiks and Farsiwan who can be found in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and the Xinjiang province of China. Another group called the Tats lives mainly in the Caucasus region concentrated in Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Russian Dagestan. The Parsis, a small community in India, are also largely descended from Persian Zoroastrian refugees who fled from Persia following the Arab conquests. The Iranis, another small community in western India, are descended from more recent Persian Zoroastrian immigrants to the subcontinent.

I read every comment posted on this site. And as author of the post, I did make my point right at the start.

I generally don’t jump into a conversation unless I have something to add. Therefore I was keeping quiet in the background.

I didn’t know that there is an admin exist here. Finally you respond, Thank you.

If I see anymore comments that attack any other person/commenter on a personal level, I will delete it.

Thank you all who have been active on this post. You have provided a lot of “food for thought”.

You can’t ask somebody not to write against your craps. it is another nature of the net. and people like me, never stand still and let fanatic minds like you, enjoy this space.

I proved that you are wrong with simple facts and you can’t even argue with them rationally.
Actually, your second post, is just a run away because you can’t come up with rational reply. I caught you in the corner

I wrote my idea about 300. it’s intact. If you or anybody have a problem, just try to make a new movie better than that.

This topic is open as long as you stop writing or provide apology to people that you were trying to give them your primitive and false history understandings. thank you.

You can’t ask somebody not to write against your craps. it is another nature of the net. and people like me, never stand still and let fanatic minds like you, enjoy this space.

I proved that you are wrong with simple facts and can’t even argue with them rationaly.
Actually, your second post, is just a run away because you can’t come up with rational reply. I caught you in the corner

I wrote my idea about 300. it’s intact. If you or anybody have a problem, just try to make a new movie better than that.

This topic is open as long as you stop writing or provide apology to people that you were trying to give them your primitive and false history understandings. thank you.