Ancient Persian influence on Hinduism

Ruby Lilaowala | Friday, August 17, 2007 10:28:58 IST

The Aryan settlers who lived in Persia and later, in India, had a lot in common by way of phonetics, language, spirituality and reverence for nature…

Hinduism pertains to Hindus but the word Hindu itself is actually a Persian word coined by Cyrus the great in the 6th century B.C. to describe people who lived beyond the river Indus which was the eastern boundary of the ancient Persian empire. The Persians had a phonetic problem with the letter ‘S’ hence, Sindhu became Hindu just as Rigveda’s Soma came from Zend Avesta’s Hoama. Such fascinating phonetic affinities!

Even the word Shudra in Hinduism’s caste-system came from the Persian word Hatoksha. Originally, there were only three castes but the camp followers collected by Persians on their travels were called Hatokshas. The Romans, who separated from the original Aryanstock at a much earlier date than the Brahmins called fire Athar. In old Sanskrit, lightning is called Atharvan. In ancient Persia Arthvan meant a priest and this word evolved to become Brahmin.

Persian herders of cattle were called Vastrayosh and after they settled down from their nomadic existence to become cultivators and later, traders, the word evolved into Hinduism’s Vaishya caste. In the Vedas, waters are called Apo-Devi and in the Avesta, Apo-Vanghuish. Also, the prominent deities of the Rig Veda like Surya, Varun and Aryaman have come from the Avesta.

In fact, originally, the Rig Veda was written in the Kharoshti script which like Persian is written backwards i.e. from right to left. The Brahmi script came much later and our Devnagri script even later than Brahmi. In Lemuria, Atlantis and Babylon, there was the Akhadian script, found on Babylonian tablets during excavations, from which the Pali script evolved. This is why, since ancient Persia was the melting-pot of civilisations, Sanskrit sounds like old Persian e.g. Veeg the seed became the Sanskritised Beej.

The Aryan settlers who lived in Persia and later, in India, had a lot in common by way of phonetics, language, spirituality and reverence for nature. The five elements of nature called Panchamahabhoot were worshipped, with fire and it’s apex in ancient India. This idea came from Persia and the oldest religion in the world viz. Zorastrianism which as and still is, the most eco-friendly religion in the world. It is a cardinal sin for a Parsi to defile any of nature’s elements which is why, a corpse, a filthy shell after it’s pranic energy has left it, is never to be burnt on fire. That would be a grave sin to the element of agni.

Rather, a Parsi feeds the fire within a fire-temple with sweet-smelling sandalwood and frankincense.

Persian warriors were called ratheshwars, and this word evolved into kshatriyas. Even wars were fought in a noble fashion through there’s nothing noble about a war to my way of thinking. In the ancient world, man lived with nature. He depended on nature for his food, shelter and livelihood. To him, the forces of nature and her five elements appeared to be pulsating with life. The sun, moon, stars, clouds, earth, springs, rivers, oceans, trees, grass, flowers were, he believed, presided over by invisible intelligences which is a cosmic fact. Geofrey Hodsun has proved this through his clairvoyant theosophical books.

In return for nature’s bounties and blessings, man gave homage which took the form of the various hymns and prayers in the Avesta as well as the Rig Veda. Hence, there are so many similarities and spiritual parallels between Ancient Persian theology and that of the pre-vedic and vedic times. The Persian Goddess of water was Ahurani, similar to the vedic Asurani. Feeding the sacred fire was common to the Persians as well as the pre-vedic society. So many similarities, so much in common, because, in the final analysis, it’s the same supreme energy we all worship!

  • bharat

    This looks totally oposite…Persian words comes from hindu…because the sanscriti start from India…

  • RKS

    The writer makes incorrect conclusions. The Avestan and Old persian words are derived from Sanskrit and Proto-sanskrit. Not the other way around. Note that the Vedas (circa 2000 BC to 1500 BC) predate Zarathustra.

  • Mayur

    Please remove this post. It is full of inaccuracies. No historian has ever said that Sanskrit words are derived from Persian, or that the Aryans came from Persia to India. The author tries to make a case that Hinduism is derived from Zoroastrianism, which has no historical backing whatsoever. Please check your references before writing such articles.

  • Farzana

    I agree, this article is full of inaccuracies. Sanskrit and Avesta belong to P.I.E faily ie. Proto Indo-European languages.The Indo-European languages comprise a family of several hundred related languages and dialects, including most of the major languages of Europe, the northern Indian subcontinent (South Asia), the Iranian plateau (Southwest Asia), and much of Central Asia.
    Of the top 20 contemporary languages in terms of speakers according to SIL Ethnologue, 12 are Indo-European: Spanish, English, Hindi, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, German, Marathi, French, Italian, Punjabi and Urdu, accounting for over 1.6 billion native speakers. The Indo-Iranian languages form the largest sub-branch of Indo-European in terms of the number of native speakers as well as in terms of the number of individual languages. There is no Basis on which anyone can claim that Avesta influenced Sanskrit or vice versa.
    As for the similarity in rituals, its solely because pre zoroastrian aryans and pre vedic aryans followed the same rituals back home in Central Asia before parting ways.

    As for having hindu sounding Gods in Avesta, its again nothing more than pre zoroatrian Mithra influence which our common ancestors religiously followed as Aryans and even retained after they converted to zoroastrianism. Infact it points to the fact that though zoroastrians keep parroting “Purity” and “Monotheism” there isn’t much of that in reality.

    Btw, the most popular name amongst the Zoroastrians – Mehr or Meher comes from pre zoroastrian Mithra diety. Mithra and Varun were sons of In Da Ra or Indra [all revered as original Aryan divinities much before Vedic or Zoroastrianism came into existence ]. Incidently, Zoroaster had opposed the worship of Mithra for which he was persecuted in his home town. The same Mithra reappeared in Avesta and in number of our rituals as the holiest deity and latter corruption to “Meher”, just 200 years after Zoroaster was gone. Speaks volumes about pre zoroastrian pre iranic influence over persian’s religion rather than persians influencing others.

    And last but not the least Persians factually were aryan warrior tribe called “Parsua” from Central Asia who invaded present day Iran which was originally called Elam.

  • Farzana

    Im just reconstructing my reply thats posted above, as i felt it needs to have more detail to get the points across.

    First, the above replies by Rk and Bharat, that boost of Sanskrit being the source of influence over Avesta and Persians is as frivolous and rediculous as saying Avesta influenced Sanskrit, just because both the languages have words that overlap in meanings and sound.

    Common features, especially common words, shared by many of the languages used in Europe, India, and Asia, led scholars to believe that these languages may have developed from the same source.
    That source language was never written down and is now extinct, but it has a name: it is called the “Proto Indo-European” language (“PIE”), and the family of languages believed to have developed from it is called “Indo-European” (“IE”). Sanskrit and Avesta both came from the same source[P.I.E. grp of lang], so its very likely they both have similarities. That hardly means Hinduism influenced Persians or vice versa. Besides just as any other religion, Hinduism is concoction of number of diversed ideas and schools of thought. Some of which are foreign.

    There is enough evidence to show that Aryan warrior tribes, who were once inhabitant of Central Asian lands, split into two warring camps- Devas and Ahuras, and migrated to indianic plains and Iranian Plains[ called Elam] respectively, to escape harsh climatic conditions back home. These migrating Aryans brought with them their culture, their language and their Gods. Over the period, these new settlers mixed with the natives and adapted their culture, their languages and their Gods to creat an independent cultures but with similarities with their original beliefs and dogmas.
    So most of the similarities that you see in the rituals of Hindus and Zoroastrians is because of the aesthetics, ideology and fundamental that they inheritated from their common ancestors-Aryans.

    One such doctrine was of Indra as a supreme one God with two sons, Mitra and Varuna. The Mitra worship and animal sacrifies formed the basis of the cult back than as the way to please the chief God Indra.

    While the Deva (Vedic) Aryans retained the original names of Gods and rituals, the Ahura aryan tribes, some of which were Zoroastrians, changed the rituals and names to suit their new philosophy of Zoroastrianism.

    Today, every scholar agrees that all of the Yashts, except for the Yasna Haptanghaiti, were composed and written centuries after the time of Zarathushtra.

    Be that as it may, the names of Indra, Varuna and Mithra are mentioned in the Haptanghaiti, and there is absolutely no question but that these are pre-Zoroastrian divinities, which today continue to hold prominent positions in the Vedas. Indra evolved into Verethragna or Behram Yazata, Mithra evolved into Meher Yazata and Varuna, in the female form of Varunani evolved into Avan Ardvisur Yazad, more commonly known as Anahita. The names of these and other pre-Zoroastrian divinities subsequently evolved into the Yazatas whose names are incorporated as the days of the month in the Zoroastrian calendar. The fact that these pre-Zoroastrian divinities now occupy and hold important positions in our liturgy, points to the fact that these are later additions to the religion introduced after Zarathushtra’s life time. Clearly, these portions of the Avesta conflict with the strict and unambiguous monotheism preached by the Prophet Himself. The point is, the similarities that you see in two religions, is not only because of common ancestors that we both shared, but also because we have over the time reintroduced pre Zoroastian ideas and culture into Zoroastrianism.

    Sorry for repeating the post.

  • Hindu

    Zorastrianism is a corruption of Sanatana Dharma not the other way around. The Parsis were racist dissenters amongst the eternal religion who formed the “monotheistic” Parsi faith! Sanatana dharma inducted other people into the faith too though it lost momentum later and never ventured outside of India. To hear a Parsi speak of environmentalism in their faith is laughable! They say Fire is pure and is corrupted by Hindus with the bodies of the dead! Hindus believe the fire is pure because it has the capacity of purifying everything! Why do you boil water, why do you cook food? Bodies are also made up of the elements! Infact the parsis eat meat which is the single largest contributor of methane to the environment. The death of vultures is well documented. They blame the animals having diclofenacs etc! Doesn’t the parsi man’s flesh contain chemicals. Cremation is the best form of disposing bodies! Monotheism stands for inducting people into the faith while parsis use it as an excuse for racism. They have been sycophants who could not fight the islamic invasion, licked the boots of whoever was in power and now have the audacity to comment on Sanatana Dharma to which they owe deeply for their very survival!
    They have seen the historical tolerance of hindus and they will see otherwise too if they make irresponsible assumptions like these!

  • True HINDU

    A true hindu will never use sucha a language as bharat, hindu etc.. who appear to be the same person posting on. It is a shame that we have such people in our community. I am sorry on behalf of the entire hindu community.

  • Pearl

    Yeah, when I read it I was asking to myself what the Author wants to say: Did he read or not, Sanskrit is much older than Persian and it is said that old persian was derived from proto-sanskrit, no sanskrit word is derived from persian, persian just has an influence on urdu and modern day hindi (not pure hindi). Proto-Sanskrit is one of the old stages of sankrit.

  • Pearl

    But yes, there are 5 classic languages of Indo-European families and they are: Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, Persian and Pali. I don’t say Persian is derived from Sanskrit, if it was then Linguistics wouldn’t have said that persian is a classic language but yes it might have been derived from proto-sanskrit which many linguistics don’t deny but no one ever said that sanskrit is derived from persian

  • Pearl

    Farzana, sorry to say but my feeling is either you know nothing just some collected facts from internet and putting them in wrong oder or you know many things, but you are playing with them in a wrong way. (some of your facts, not all), either way you are doing the same thing.

  • the story

    the guy seems mistaken of sorts.to say tat sanskrit is influenced by avestan is totally laughable.
    actually wat happned was tat in da harappan period da so called aryan people used to live alongwith other tribes of same origin as theirs..
    aryan means “refined”…..so each tribe called themselves as aryan nd their enemies(of same origin ) as “dasyus” as a means of undermining them….one such war b/w indra(an aryan) nd another aryan(vritra) has bin mentioned in rigveda in wich indra slained him.
    due to gradual climate changes nd possible dryin up of rivers due to a large no. of dams(note tat wars at tat tym wer mainly based on issues of water usage) d harrrapn urban civilisation broke up and people went away in search of greener pastures.
    one of the two hostile tribes migrated to east in india nd other to west in iran.
    (next post in some days)

  • Manish

    Why don’t you see the similarities between Hinduism and the old Persian faith (Zoroastrism) ?

    We descended from the same stock of (Aryan) peoples!!!

    We share common ancestry… DNA… cultural heritage…

    So don’t argue who’s the best, or who was the first one.

  • Prashanth

    Well, i have seen so many arguments between many religions and languages as to which one is older. The older is somehow grantedly taken to be better, which is not necessarily the case.

    The below argument is a totally unrelated one. But, pls tolerate it:

    All I know is that parsis were evicted out of persia and that was a good thing to happen to India. Unlike other people who have come to india from different parts of the world, parsis are the only set of people who are highly civilized and who have done so much for India. Note that they never invaded india, but politely asked for the gujarat king to allow them to settle here. Once settled, they have been completely patriotric and have worked for the economic betterment of teeming millions of indians.

    Irrespective of which language was born when and which one has influenced others ( It doesn’t matter unless you are just another boring academic), as a hindu, my highest respect of any communities is for parsis. I bow to you.

  • Shantanu Chatterjee

    this massive grey area between persia and India is an emotionally charged one which came first?What derives from what? etc this is esp true because persia militarily has always been more powerful than India.
    HOWEVER parsis have proved their loyalty,patriotism for India over and over again and the hindus who are posting threatening comments should be ashamed of themselves parsis are intelligent,honest patriots who have served their adopted land on a per capita basis several orders of magnitudes more than even hindus have.let us debate like two civilized people.god bless u parsees.

  • maneli

    Parsis fled the Arab invasion and India welcomed them. They are 100% Indians and I am amazed to see how well they did. regarding who was who and who did this and that first, I would say that it doesn’t really matter. the most important is the final result.

    Great hello from a Persian Parsy

  • rustom

    To put to to rest any unease felt by the topic.

    Theologically the birth of zarathushtra shouldnt be linked to start of the faith.
    The religion itself is Mazdayasnism. The sudreh and Kusti predated Zarathushtra and so did mazdayasni festivals like Navrooz,ghambars etc.
    All zarathushtra did was rekindle the faith.The birth of Zarathushtra in itself is not known, some place it 6000 BC and some much closer…area ranging from Azerbaizan to Afghanistan

    Here comes the core….the reason for zarathushtra having to rekindle the faith was due to the split of the Aryans..into deavyasni and Mazdayasni…showing links…
    There are thus many similarities and Sanskrit and Avesta are sister languages…the kusti of the mazdayasnisn and the janois of the hindus..etc

    The differences are like Mazdayasnism talks of one god( concept borrowed by christian, islam etc) whilst hinduism talks of multiple Gods…theosphically difference like in hindusim one prays bare foot whilst mazdayasnism talks against paying or being barefoot as the yazad(angel) presiding over earthi.e spandamard is negatively affected…mazdayasnism talks against animal gods etc….

    The magnificient aspect is ..like tilak did or most scholars have to ..is to link avesta with sanskrit and vice versa to really understand the 2…

    Also Zoroastrianism/Mazdayasnism and Hinduism had links such as coinage in the Maurian era in India arriving from Sasanian silver and Mint…and other trade relations since time..
    Persian/zoroastrian empire stretched all the way to Indus and thus we have Punjab a persian word whilst hinduisitic scholarshp like medicine etc were higly regarded by scholarisitc studies ..by all. including the greeks, zoroastrianis and vice versa…

    The reason for the king confirming that the refuge takers were indeed of the mazda yasni faith inspite of diference in philosophies a times was because ike the Hindus or any ancient faith, zoroatrianism also never threathen to wipe out the other culture due to thirst of conversion…like the moguls and those who wanted to chrisianise Persia thus weakening it…

    mutual respect for each other..

    By then the term Persians included those faiths that actualy aided in destroying the original Persian faith..i.e Mazdayasnismm..

    Hinduism and Zoroastrianism in a way showcase TRUE SECULARISM…at times linked , at times opposing philosophies ..yet mutual respect for both from within….and thus has seen us thru time…
    It definately stands above..who came first and who was greater as both our forfathers acknowledged each others greatness, weakness and strengths without being embarassed..
    If avesta aided sanskrit or vice versa, it is indeed a pleasure for both and thus though oposing philosophies -at times..it has tood the test of time..

    One only hopes that the majority never link the zoroastrians with the threath percieved from those who want to change the demograpghy of India thru conversions, be it a madressa or a missonery

  • bhavesh patel

    Thank you all so much… Faz & rustom. It was amazing to know all this facts, hope have some input
    thanks

  • Raj Mala

    Even as an Indian, i know Indian laguage and culture…also Hinduism hab been influenced by rich Persian qualities.
    Perisans have influenced their brilliant culture and civilization through the whole region. Who can deny that!
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  • Raj Mala

    Even as an Indian, i know Indian laguage and culture…also Hinduism hab been influenced by rich Persian qualities.
    Perisans have influenced their brilliant culture and civilization through the whole region. Who can deny that!
    As an History expert i admit that the whole region would have seemed totaly different without the Persian influence.
    Thanks god they have ever existed(also a persian word like in Dutch God(Khod) originaly comes from Perisan( khoda/Goda)

  • Ravi

    Dear friends. As far as I know originally there were the Indo European aryans in Sogdiana ( now Uzbekistan).The european group of aryans went to Europe and the subfamily of Indo Iranian aryans came to Iran ( Elam).From there the Indo Aryans went to northern India while the Iranian Aryans stayed put in Iran.And yes, Sanskrit and athic Persian were not derived from each other;they were evolved from the proto ( first) Indo European language which was the parent of the 5 classical languages mentioned by Pearl.
    Farhana is obviously being overzealous in her eulogy of Zoarastrianism. This says all from my point of view.
    Personally I think that fire is polluted by cremation is not a very sound idea as fire is meant to purify things and it is also used in hawan to carry offerings like ghee to the heavens.
    The patriotism,secularism and caliber of Parsis is well known and I as an Indian acknowledge their contribution to the nation in numerous fields. Long live Indo Parsi unity. Amen.

  • HIWA

    I AM IN IRAN AND WANT TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY FILM ABOUT THE PARSIS IN INDIA, CAN YOU HELP ME TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM AND MAKE RELATION WITH THEM PLEASE?

  • pompy

    This post isn’t correct – its sound way funny! First of all let me clarify Aryan is not a race. Secondly persia had indian influence and india had persian influence because in ancient times – both were approximately the same things.

    Yes offcourse now the ground reality has totally changed !! (as today persia is totally a islamic nation and there were quite a few wars so i suppose lots of ancient text must have been destroyed)

    Just think like in the ancient times persia would have a major indian influence same way in the later half (mughals and other muslim rulers of india) there were many persian influence as well! Thats why persian influence is there in the current indian languages especially because of urdu i guess!.

  • pompy

    I think you must read this article on ancient iranian history – even here its written that ancient people from iran and india (there are numerous groups within india – including countries which later got created such as pakistan, afghanistan , tajakistan [also are called bactria during ancient times] ) were the same people [hence their languages must also have been approximately similar during that time – i guess during that time sanskrit would have been like a universal language in this region like hindi is a universal language in india and english is a universal language in the world now!

    check this link about ancient iran – whether its matches or not!

    http://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-language/mythology1/index.htm

  • pompy

    Also check the similarties between the ancient Persian and indian Gods

    http://www.zianet.com/docdavey/persianmyth.htm

  • Prashant Sonawala

    I have always been wondering, why do people find differences rather than similarities? Of course, as a student of history, we need to know those.

    But when someone is trying to show similarities, it means we have a chance of strengthening the already strong bond between the Hindus and Zarthoshtis.

  • ram

    Do you mean that before Aryans came from Central Asia/Europe/Iran or whatsoever, north idnia was a piece of empty land without the existance of any religion.

    If you mix geography with so called history (written by modern historians) North of India had almost every thing to cultivate any civiliazation. there were 6 season, water of rivers, mountaines from front north uptill down east. So from where all people came, settled, spread their relision, spoke same language etc ? If there was any civiliazation to cultivate in india was in india like many part of the world without any influence. for example Chinese, Dravidain, Arabic etc.

    Another point to note is that if north india was influenced by outside settlers than why didn’t they reach to Dravida part. In the ancient history dravidain culture was not influenced by any other cultures than Sanskritik (Sanatanic) let it it be culture, language or castism.

    So i request all the readers not to twist history that one is mother of other culture just becuase few words/ritual are samilar in both cultures. It is like the people living on the borders speak both languages, exchange cultures. I mean punjabi leaving on the border of rajasthan can’t say punjabi is the mother of rajasthani language or vice versa.

    You have to see the development of civilization with the phycological point of view as well. Every human was developed in different environment and he had marks of nature on its biology and sociology, like chinese looks chinese but people from many central south american countries also looks bit chinese. But this doesn’t mean that they hail from china or vice versa.

    In similar way Iran than and India were close neighbours but like many mainstream religions/culture they both were independant and were habitants of the land. Hinduism had influence on other religion and other religion had influence on hinduism.

    so please think from all the points.

  • purna

    I have seen many a comments with names “Posted by (aHinduName)” and all have praised persians and bashed the Indian commentors. Why don’t you actors bash the author of the article as well for publishing an ignorant article. Is the author taken by ego and false claims attributing everything to his mother tongue Persian. Is n’t that disgusting for a civilized and educated persian. I am sorry for the Author.

  • RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

    I THINK BOTH THE NOW DISTINCT IRANIAN & INDIAN PEOPLE USED TO STAY SIDE – BY – SIDE AND WERE ONE PEOPLE BELONGING TO ONE GROUP ( NOMADS IN THOSE DAYS ) & THEY HAD THERE ORIGINS AROUND THE RUSSIAN STEPPS , INFACT WHEN THE INDIAN GENEOLOGY WAS CONDUCTED , IT WAS FOUND THAT A LARGE SECTION HAD ONE GENE (Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA)) WHICH WAS SIMILAR TO RUSSIAN PLAINS, UKRAIN TO RUMANIA., THE IRANIAN GENES ALSO EXHIBITED THE SAME GENES BUT IN LARGE PARTS ONLY IN SOUTHERN IRAN ( FROM BALOCHISTAN TO ENTIRE SOUHTERN IRAN COAST) & NORHHEN IRAN AND IN MEDIUM SCALE ACROSS IRAN , THE HYPOTHESIS GIVEN FOR THIS IS :-

    From the disparate M198 frequencies observed for the north and south of Iran, it is possible to envision a movement southward towards India where the lineage may have had an influence on the populations south of the Iranian deserts and where the Dash-e Lut desert would have played a signifi cant role in preventing the expansion of this marker to the north of Iran. The lower frequencies of M198 in the region of Anatolia (11.8% in Greece and 6.9% in Turkey, with a statistically significant longitudinal correlation and the Caucasus (10% in Georgia, 6% in Armenia and 7% in Azerbaijan) suggests that population movement was southward towards India and then westward across the Iranian plateau. In addition, the detection of rare R1-M173* and R1a-SRY1532 lineages in Iran at higher frequencies than observed for either Turkey, Pakistan or India suggests the hypothesis that geographic origin of haplogroup R may be nearer Persia.

    THIS MAY EXPLAIN MORE OF THE CROSS – CULTURAL EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE 2 GROUPS.

    COPIED FROM WIKIPEDIA :

    Indo-Iranian languages include three subgroups: first Indo-Aryan languages (the Indic branch including the Dardic languages); second Iranian languages (east and west) and third Nuristani languages. From these various and dispersed cultures a set of common ideas may be reconstructed from which a common, unattested proto-Indo-Iranian source may be deduced.

    Beliefs developed in different ways as cultures separated and evolved. For example the cosmo-mythology of the peoples that remained on the Central Asian steppes and the Iranian plateau is to a great degree unlike that of the Indians, focussed more on groups of deities (*daiva and *asura) and less on the divinities individually. Indians were less conservative[citation needed] than Iranians in their treatment of their divinities, so that some deities were conflated with others or, conversely, aspects of a single divinity developed into divinities in their own right. By the time of Zoroaster, Iranian culture had also been subject to the upheavals of the Iranian Heroic Age (late Iranian Bronze Age, 1800–800 BCE[citation needed]), an influence that the Indians were not subject to.

    Sometimes certain myths developed in altogether different ways. The Rig-Vedic Sarasvati is linguistically and functionally cognate with Avestan *Haraxvait? ?r?duu? S?r? An?hit?. In the Rig-Veda (6,61,5–7) she battles a serpent called Vritra, who has hoarded all of the earth’s water. In contrast, in early portions of the Avesta, Iranian *Harahvati is the world-river that flows down from the mythical central Mount Hara. But *Harahvati does no battle — she is blocked by an obstacle (Avestan for obstacle: v?r??ra) placed there by Angra Mainyu.

  • Dhruv

    Ma’am please know your facts…Zoroastrianism came after Hinduism and Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. This is all b.s., read more and then make such bold statements.

  • Lala

    There is no doubt that Hinduism is a blend of ancient Aryan/Iranian and Dravidic-Mundic beliefs and customs. And Zoroastrianism is a blend of ancient Aryan/Iranian and Elamite/etc. beliefs and customs.

    It has been proven that Aryans/Iranians migrated/invaded northern India around 1700-1200 BC in many waves from CentralAsia-Afghan-Pak region. Similarly some Aryan/Iranian tribes also migrated/invaded southward/southwest to present day Iran from CentralAsia-Afghan region.

    Hinduism and Zoroastrianism are related and have similiaities because of their partly common ancestry, but neither is decended from the other!

  • Behram Dhabhar

    “From the disparate M198 frequencies observed for the north and south of Iran”

    Could someone explain in detail what is meant by the word “frequency” as stated above. I am aware of the techical meaning but am at a loss to know what it means in the above context.

  • RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

    DEAR BEHRAM & OTHER READERS ,

    GENE FREQUENCY MEANT ON AN AVERAGE OCCURANCE ( COMMONLY FOUND GENE) OR IN OTHER WORDS A PARTICULAR GENE DESITY AMONG A GROUP OF PEOPLE OR REGION.

    THIS WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ALSO SAID THAT THIS GENE WHICH EXIST WITH HIGH DENSITY THROUGHOUT “SOUTHERN IRAN & CENTRAL IRAN EXIST IN EQUAL MEASURE ACROSS PEOPLE OF BALOUCHISTAN , SIND , RAJASTHAN , & GUJRAT , THOUGH THIS GENE DENSITY REDUCES FROM SOUTH GUJRAT & GRADUALLY DISAPPEARS BY THE KARNATAKA BORDER ( SOUTHERN MAH.) , THROUGH SMALL TRIBAL COMM. & CASTE COMM. DO EXHIBIT SAME GENES IN POCKETS OF INDIA.

    THIS GENE GOES WEAK TOWARDS NORTH IRAN ( THERAN & SURROND AREAS ) – INFLUENCE OF MIDDLE-EAST , TURKISH & IRANS ORIGINAL GENES.

    PARSIS MIGRATED FROM KHORASTAN , IT MEANS FROM CENTRAL ASIA CARRYING SAME M198 GENES & SOME FROM SOUTHERN IRAN.

    IT IS STATED THAT KHORASTANI & CENTRAL ASIA’S ZORASTRIANS ( BUKHARA ) HAD MANY FIRE – TEMPLE , & BACK THEN ;-

    SOURCE :- WIKIPEDIA

    Despite these economic and social incentives to convert, Zoroastrianism remained strong in some regions, particularly in those furthest away from the Caliphate capital at Baghdad. In Bukhara (in present-day Uzbekistan), resistance to Islam required the 9th century Arab commander Qutaiba to convert his province four times. The first three times the citizens reverted to their old religion. Finally, the governor made their religion “difficult for them in every way”, turned the local fire temple into a mosque, and encouraged the local population to attend Friday prayers by paying each attendee two dirhams.[8] The cities where Arab governors resided were particularly vulnerable to such pressures, and in these cases the Zoroastrians were left with no choice but to either conform or to migrate to regions that had a more amicable administration.[8]

    Among these migrations were those to cities in (or on the margins of) the great salt deserts, in particular to Yazd and Kerman, which remain centers of Iranian Zoroastrianism to this day. Yazd became the seat of the Iranian high priests during Mongol Il-Khanate rule, when the “best hope for survival [for a non-Muslim] was to be inconspicuous.”[12] Crucial to the present-day survival of Zoroastrianism was a migration from the northeastern Iranian town of “Sanjan in south-western Khorasan”,[13] to Gujarat, in western India. The descendants of that group are today known as the ‘Parsis’ – “as the Gujaratis, from long tradition, called anyone from Iran”[13] – and who today represent the larger of the two groups of Zoroastrians.

    HOPE THIS REDUCES TO HALF THE DISPUTE OF HOW IRAN & INDIA ANCHESTORS WERE COMMON ( MAINLY OF THE REGIONS I MENTIONED ) , A PART OF CENTRAL ASIAN ZORASTRIANS ARE NOW PARSIS ( THOUGH I WOULD CALL THEM INDIAN BECAUSE OF GENERATIONS OF GENES LOSS , BECAUSE OF WHICH SOME DISTINCT INDIAN GENES (FROM FEMALE SIDE) ARE FOUND AMONG PARSIS), & BACK THEN WERE FIERCELY PATRIOTIC TO THEIR RELIGION , COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF IRAN , & IT IS TODAY ONLY IN THIS PART OF IRAN THAT MAJORITY OF FIRE-TEMPLE, ZORAS. / AVEST. STILL LIVE.

  • Aryavrat

    Dear All, Let the modern technology of genetics decide the relation between the population spread in the entire Asia region. We may all be learning new lessons and finally come to rest our minds!
    Let the mind posses the idea rather than the idea posses the mind. In the history of human civilization, no one group of humans can claim to be pure in their genetic structure. Let the knowledge guide us and not emotions.

  • Aryavrat

    Dear All, Let the modern technology of genetics decide the relation between the population spread in the entire Asia region. We may all be learning new lessons and finally come to rest our minds!
    Let the mind posses the idea rather than the idea posses the mind. In the history of human civilization, no one group of humans can claim to be pure in their genetic structure. Let the knowledge guide us and not emotions.
    We are arguing on a mere 6 to 10 thousand years of history. The human history is over 100 thousand years old! Now start thinking!!

  • Krupanshu

    the article is completely false.the fact is sanskrit is the most ancient language in the world.plz prefer wikipedia.sanskrit is made from dev vani.the language of gods.and indians were civilized thousands of year before the western and middle eastern countries.english,greek,persian,latinetc are made frm it.the article is completely opposite frm the fact.0,trigonometry,0,geometry and many many many more things were invented by india.i am not telling n e thing false.plz if u doubt on my comment u can see the wikipedia of aryabhatta,mohen jo daro,the family of ram etc.and only then u will understand.india is not the receiver but has given many things to the whole world.plz dont be jealous of my mother country.stop hatred,racism&communalism.

  • krupanshu

    iranians use the word stan after the name of cities countries etc.the word stan is made from the ancient word ‘sthan’.it is the samskrit word.this is the proof that farsi is influenced by indian culture.because 1500 years before it had covered more than half part of asia.even 65 year before it included pakistan,nepal,bangladesh.u can do research on bharatvarsh.the ancient name of india is not india or hindustan but bharat.

  • Srinivas

    Read the book “The Geography of Rigveda” by Srikant Talegari. Persians used to live in Punjab before “Dasarajagna battle” described in Rigveda. They were driven oot of Punjab by the puru king Bharata.
    Bhrigus are the priests of Iranians while Angeersas are the priests of puru kings.
    Even puranas mention Maharshi Bhrigu and his son Shukra supporting Asuras while rest of the priest groups like Angeerasas, Vashistas and Viswamitras worship devas.
    Puranas also mentions Devas and Asuras were born to same father.

    Conclusion: Indoaryans and parusus (Parsians) used to live in India at differen localities before the war brokeout between them. The parsus finally setteled in Iran.
    Rigveda is older than Avesta. Avesta remembers indian connection (Hatahindu is one of their lands) while rigveda knows nothing about central asia or Iran.

  • sreekant

    It’s an interesting article.the worship of deities in temples and the various rituals associated with it are totally against the concept of Bharatheeya Vidhya[wisdom]which emphasises only on the infinite and unlimited joy totally identified by the initiate as himself revealed by the truthfull Guru.This is Upanishad and Vedanta.It is the metamorphised deity worship from ancient Egypt,Persia Greece which is now prevalent in India.

  • Ganesh Sharma

    This articles full of nonsenses.First of Aryan Invasion theory already proved as fake and concocted.
    Recent elaborate Genetic study conducted in India and released on 25th Sep’09, proved accurately those Aryans in India around 40,000 years.
    Dried Saraswathi river discovery in 1996 pushed the Rigvedic age to 6000BC or above.
    Gulf of Cambay submerged city discovery in 2002 gives 9500 years to artifacts found there.,one after one giving much antiquity to Vedic culture in India which is also confirmed by genetics.
    What are the wonderful historical details given in Rigveda on Persians.Here we will see..
    It is clearly said Asura is a family of Persian Aryans while Suras are Vedic family of Aryans.
    Both lived in Saraswathi river basin from antiquity.
    The Dasarjana event in the Rigveda clearly gives war between Suras and Asuras confederation where Suras Aryans were won with the leadership of King Sudas.
    As per agreement, Asuras migrated to settle out side India and settled finally a place known today as Iran.
    Why these kind of enmity between the Suras and Asuras,because both were born to same father but by different mothers with different Social status.
    Rigveda gives pinpoint details on the movement of Persian from India
    These informations are discarded by egoistic people to twist the truth.

    Indra is God for Suras while Indra is demon for
    Asuras.

    Many methodical differences were there between Suras and Asuras even among life style from time immemorial.
    Zoroaster called his God as supreme God of Asuras as Ahura(asura)Mazda confirms the truth his lineage from Asura family!
    Clearly,all Asura(Persian and Medas) Aryans embraced this Zoroaster faith!

    Modern geologists clearly proved that Europe is not inhabitable even around 5000 years ago.
    I could not understand how people try to fool Aryans came from west.
    Dried Saraswathi river forced around 1900BC,swarms of Aryans migrated out of India to settle various parts of middle east and then to Europe.
    Which amply confirmed by emergence of Mitanic Vedic Aryans around 1700BC near Turkey and their relation with Egyptian Pharaohs was history.
    It is Aryans from India only migrated towards west via Iran and Armenia to Europe.
    Definitely,not other way around!
    But,even with all the modern very recent discoveries, some of the people still writing those concocted details of Aryans Invasion theory means,it is simply an act of fooling the people!

    Vedic Shruthi system to maintain the originality and purity of Vedic texts is unique to Vedas.Which never allows, even a minute phonetic change and followed till date with sincerity and dedication.
    As such Vedas are just a tape recorder of what ancient sages chanted thousands and thousands of years ago.
    All modern discovery proves the unchanged claim of Vedas.

    Such a unique system and other very ancient details nowhere in Avesta.Avestas phonetic variation itself clearly shows those Persians diverted from India with lot differences with Vedic Aryans which Rigveda confirms.

    Besides,study of Rigvedic astronomical details by modern astronomers confirms those archeology details.

    Archeology,underwater city discovery, astronomy and genetics,one after other disproves Aryan Invasion theory.

    Atleast,people stop talking those bull shit theory of Aryan Invasion to India which is already debunked.
    Then where comes other approximations based on that!!

  • Shalv Kumar Shah

    Friends the intresting point is none of the non-hinud people of the world have any roots other than that derived from us hindus. So we hindus do not claim others are from us it is they who say so -may they Pakis, Iranian jokers or some other Tom,Dick or harry of a civilization. We Hindus of india do not need the world the world needs us. The white race did not know its roots till it came to our land . So hindus do not worry . We have to resurge our civilization – the time has come. With Islam pressing upon us from Pakistan and from within and china from the North and East , and the sea to the south we are on the brink. It is die or win.

  • Happy

    It’s true Indian many derived from Persian region But religion is one that Indus people self convert to Hindu religion and carry with spiritual faith of Aryan

  • Asaf Hussain

    The article is correct for the Aryans came from Persia and conquered first the Indus Valley civilisation and later settled on Ganges and created their mythological religion of gods and goddesses and worshipping Ganges as Ganga Mata/mother Ganges/ from ther mythological a new religion emerged a little of which may have been taken from their conquest of Sumeriam civilisation which was on Indus for before Indus valley civilisation Hinduism did not exist. Hindus may not agree with this but Aryans(Iran) was an Iranian word and the like the Muslims came from outside India. Their new religion then established their own civilisation

  • Karuvaa payal

    Nice article. It revealed the true face of Hinduism. The only religion in the world which has their own sect of followers marked as untouchables, what a bloody brutla foolish selfish arrogant religion. One can see classes in Gods too. The High caste have their own gods and the low castes have their own gods. According to Hinduism the low caste people also should worship high caste people’s God but not the Vice Versa. What a religion? Shame, I was born a Hindu.

    They say Sanskrit as the mother language of all languages in the world, but that’s the language which has the manuscripts which says Brahmin was born from Brahma’s Head and Sudra was born from Brahma’s foot. You say this kind of brutal selfish literature bearing language as the mother of all languages? Then Sanskrit has no any right or quality to have that prestige. A language can only be considered mother of all languages not only by its age but by its virtue also. A language like Sanskrit can never be mother of languages. It is a bitch of all languages which spread inaequality among men.  One can say sanskrit as a Satan language. Yeah that’s right because actually in sanskrit, the word  ‘Satan’ means Pure/Purity?!!!?.

    The North Indians who are almost Aryans, are actually not Indians. They conquered the actual Indians and settled there by sending the actual Indians towards the southern parts of India. If you see Vedas there are lot of places they have mentioned which were not actually in India but in the Middle East. They are some rare definitions about Indian places or rtiuals. Its the Dravidians who are the actual Indians, who made the rough lands into cultivatable lands and lived a prosperous life. The Aryans who had seen only deserts and Famines were very much attracted towards these Dravidin land and conquered them by hitting the back. Even now one can see most of the buildings in North India, their Food varieties, their dresses resemble the Middle-East. The Dravidian culture is entirley different from this North Indian Culture. This concludes that North Indians are descendants of Middle-East people and are not truly Indians. Hey Aryans, Quit India. India is for only Dravidians.

    If you say the gene research says Aryans are Indians then there is an information to be revealed here about the genuineness of Gene research. Previously the Gene researchers concluded that the first Human Being was born in Africa, but there was an archeological discovery of Human skeletons near Israel which was older than that of what gene research revealed the bith ot first human. So, it is not necessary that gene research is 100% true. It is based on the research from presently living Human beings who were remains of many lost Human varieties. There are lot of theories still to be answered why Human Being evolved at only one place.

    One of this Foreign Aryan written here that Asuras are Persian Aryans. If they would have mentioned explicitly Persian in Vedas(the dirty piggish arrogant records of these Aryans’ bloody foolish so-called histories) why should we need this discussion. Go and tell your those discovery stories to your foolish fellow Aryans. We wont believe that. The Excavations are done by Aryans and they say they are Aryan settlemnts. The Researches which proved Vedas are wrong were intentionally not carried forward or dumped aside to hide the truth from the world. You keep track of only those researches which help your shit-smelling Vedas to be believed as true, who will believe that.

    Whenever there is an article published about the ugly-true face of Vedas and Hinduism, these Brahmins come and post their arrogance. Since they are enjoying the Hinduism, which sayas these brahmins are the High Caste people, the direct descendant of Brahma (One of the High Castes’ Gods), they always support Hinduism, Vedas, Sanskrit but the rest of Hindus are not. That’s why the country where Hinduism started is not actually a Hindu country and still ruled by Muslims.

    I dont know whether Brahmins go to hell or not but I am sure they are ‘From Hell’. Period

  • Karuvaa payal

    Nice article. It revealed the true face of Hinduism. The only religion in the world which has their own sect of followers marked as untouchables, what a bloody brutla foolish selfish arrogant religion. One can see classes in Gods too. The High caste have their own gods and the low castes have their own gods. According to Hinduism the low caste people also should worship high caste people’s God but not the Vice Versa. What a religion? Shame, I was born a Hindu.

    They say Sanskrit as the mother language of all languages in the world, but that’s the language which has the manuscripts which says Brahmin was born from Brahma’s Head and Sudra was born from Brahma’s foot. You say this kind of brutal selfish literature bearing language as the mother of all languages? Then Sanskrit has no any right or quality to have that prestige. A language can only be considered mother of all languages not only by its age but by its virtue also. A language like Sanskrit can never be mother of languages. It is a bitch of all languages which spread inaequality among men.  One can say sanskrit as a Satan language. Yeah that’s right because actually in sanskrit, the word  ‘Satan’ means Pure/Purity?!!!?.

    The North Indians who are almost Aryans, are actually not Indians. They conquered the actual Indians and settled there by sending the actual Indians towards the southern parts of India. If you see Vedas there are lot of places they have mentioned which were not actually in India but in the Middle East. They are some rare definitions about Indian places or rtiuals. Its the Dravidians who are the actual Indians, who made the rough lands into cultivatable lands and lived a prosperous life. The Aryans who had seen only deserts and Famines were very much attracted towards these Dravidin land and conquered them by hitting the back. Even now one can see most of the buildings in North India, their Food varieties, their dresses resemble the Middle-East. The Dravidian culture is entirley different from this North Indian Culture. This concludes that North Indians are descendants of Middle-East people and are not truly Indians. Hey Aryans, Quit India. India is for only Dravidians.

    If you say the gene research says Aryans are Indians then there is an information to be revealed here about the genuineness of Gene research. Previously the Gene researchers concluded that the first Human Being was born in Africa, but there was an archeological discovery of Human skeletons near Israel which was older than that of what gene research revealed the bith ot first human. So, it is not necessary that gene research is 100% true. It is based on the research from presently living Human beings who were remains of many lost Human varieties. There are lot of theories still to be answered why Human Being evolved at only one place.

    One of this Foreign Aryan written here that Asuras are Persian Aryans. If they would have mentioned explicitly Persian in Vedas(the dirty piggish arrogant records of these Aryans’ bloody foolish so-called histories) why should we need this discussion. Go and tell your those discovery stories to your foolish fellow Aryans. We wont believe that. The Excavations are done by Aryans and they say they are Aryan settlemnts. The Researches which proved Vedas are wrong were intentionally not carried forward or dumped aside to hide the truth from the world. You keep track of only those researches which help your shit-smelling Vedas to be believed as true, who will believe that.

    Whenever there is an article published about the ugly-true face of Vedas and Hinduism, these Brahmins come and post their arrogance. Since they are enjoying the Hinduism, which sayas these brahmins are the High Caste people, the direct descendant of Brahma (One of the High Castes’ Gods), they always support Hinduism, Vedas, Sanskrit but the rest of Hindus are not. That’s why the country where Hinduism started is not actually a Hindu country and still ruled by Muslims.

    I dont know whether Brahmins go to hell or not but I am sure they are ‘From Hell’. Period

  • Ranjan

    Have you ever read the Sanskrit literature by your self or just quoting heresy?? Read first before quoting anything.

  • Ranjan

    Have you ever read the Sanskrit literature by your self or just quoting heresy?? Read first before quoting anything.

  • Ranjan

    Have you ever read the Sanskrit literature by your self or just quoting heresy?? Read first before quoting anything.

  • An informed person

    Darling you are not hindu and definitely not Indian. True Indians know that whatever you wrote above is a piece of crap from an ignorant person…. First of all vedas never mentioned that anyone needs to pray their own god, it depends on the region you are from. Brahmin and shudra etc… was a hierarchy as we have today describing people’s occupation – brahmin is the head because they are thinkers and use their heads most of the time, kshatriya are shoulders and arms because they fight and you use your arms more than your head for fighting don’t you? Although one might think otherwise reading your above comment… In one ancient vedic family, you could have all of these castes depending on what job you did. Now with time, corruption, cupidity etc… ,which is a common human trait not only in Indians but everyone, is the result of many of these injustice towards one own people. I have to agree that this is shameful and archaic but many other religions and nations do it to their own people, for example shiites vs sunnis and so many other in Muslim communities, Adventist vs Roman Catholics for Christians, then of course Jews vs Muslims vs Christians for all people of the Book… It is sad but it is all due to Human nature that we have to overcome to become a truly united world.

    Now hinduism evolved with time – it is not the same as other religion. All religions are all set differently. For people of the book, their religion is based on how they believed the earth to have been created and events afterwards. They have prophets who came along at different periods to give them the word from god. They pray the one who has created them and earth. People that follow more of ancient Dao religions say that life is a collection of pathways that you have to choose. Depending on the paths you choose in life, you will either go to Heaven or Hell – a bit similar in philosophies with Hinduism that is why Buddhism expanded to regions like China, etc… Then there is Hinduism, which is a set of rules on how one person should live their lives to attain perfection in all domains. Obviously it is humanly not possible to be perfect in everything, this is why they look up to these people whom have been said to be enlightened and delivered from being reincarnated as any creature on earth. Thus in Hinduism, they teach you what is the right way of doing things from previous experience of rishis, or in forms of story-telling and leaves it up to you on how to manage your life and karma.

    Hinduism has always allowed, even encouraged debates over what is right and wrong. Different eras, different books, different scholars have brought up new elements to it and all these gods the hindus pray, are actually created to the image of humans themselves. They make mistakes, learn from it and correct them to balance karma. It teaches you that the children of a demon are not necessarily demons. It teaches you not to judge someone that you do not know, you could say.

    Being aggressive is for the ignorant because they have no idea of what all these holy books really teach and where they differ to create different school of thoughts. The best thing to do for ignorant people like you is to shut their mouth and avoid create more animosity in this world, if you want to comment, get the facts first. We all say we want a united world, unless you are hitler, but do we help creating that world like this. Religions should not define how our societies look like nowadays because it was the politics of ancient times, modern world needs modern laws and school of thoughts to move on. But people like you don’t help towards that. Religions should only be kept as a link to our ancestors and not as an excuse to kill each other.

    Now as for that article it is full of false information. Indians are Aryans because it is a term found only in Vedas to describe themselves as noble people who are at the roots of hinduism. There isn’t a tribe in ancient persia that were called aryans or anything close to this were there. Moreover, Vedas existed for more than 2500yrs BC, some claims (don’t know if there are facts of this) that it might actually be as old as 5000BC probably before Persia was even called Persia. And Hinduism is much older than Zoroastrianism, so I doubt Hindus traveled through time and back just to check what they will do in 300 BC before they wrote the Vedas. Get your facts right and get over it, Zoroastrians were influenced by hindus, so what proves they have been linked since ancient times. They are brothers that are punching each other just to see who’s stronger, its immature and puerile. One is the eldest son, the other the younger ones, same family, same ideas.

  • An informed person

    Darling you are not hindu and definitely not Indian. True Indians know that whatever you wrote above is a piece of crap from an ignorant person…. First of all vedas never mentioned that anyone needs to pray their own god, it depends on the region you are from. Brahmin and shudra etc… was a hierarchy as we have today describing people’s occupation – brahmin is the head because they are thinkers and use their heads most of the time, kshatriya are shoulders and arms because they fight and you use your arms more than your head for fighting don’t you? Although one might think otherwise reading your above comment… In one ancient vedic family, you could have all of these castes depending on what job you did. Now with time, corruption, cupidity etc… ,which is a common human trait not only in Indians but everyone, is the result of many of these injustice towards one own people. I have to agree that this is shameful and archaic but many other religions and nations do it to their own people, for example shiites vs sunnis and so many other in Muslim communities, Adventist vs Roman Catholics for Christians, then of course Jews vs Muslims vs Christians for all people of the Book… It is sad but it is all due to Human nature that we have to overcome to become a truly united world.

    Now hinduism evolved with time – it is not the same as other religion. All religions are all set differently. For people of the book, their religion is based on how they believed the earth to have been created and events afterwards. They have prophets who came along at different periods to give them the word from god. They pray the one who has created them and earth. People that follow more of ancient Dao religions say that life is a collection of pathways that you have to choose. Depending on the paths you choose in life, you will either go to Heaven or Hell – a bit similar in philosophies with Hinduism that is why Buddhism expanded to regions like China, etc… Then there is Hinduism, which is a set of rules on how one person should live their lives to attain perfection in all domains. Obviously it is humanly not possible to be perfect in everything, this is why they look up to these people whom have been said to be enlightened and delivered from being reincarnated as any creature on earth. Thus in Hinduism, they teach you what is the right way of doing things from previous experience of rishis, or in forms of story-telling and leaves it up to you on how to manage your life and karma.

    Hinduism has always allowed, even encouraged debates over what is right and wrong. Different eras, different books, different scholars have brought up new elements to it and all these gods the hindus pray, are actually created to the image of humans themselves. They make mistakes, learn from it and correct them to balance karma. It teaches you that the children of a demon are not necessarily demons. It teaches you not to judge someone that you do not know, you could say.

    Being aggressive is for the ignorant because they have no idea of what all these holy books really teach and where they differ to create different school of thoughts. The best thing to do for ignorant people like you is to shut their mouth and avoid create more animosity in this world, if you want to comment, get the facts first. We all say we want a united world, unless you are hitler, but do we help creating that world like this. Religions should not define how our societies look like nowadays because it was the politics of ancient times, modern world needs modern laws and school of thoughts to move on. But people like you don’t help towards that. Religions should only be kept as a link to our ancestors and not as an excuse to kill each other.

    Now as for that article it is full of false information. Indians are Aryans because it is a term found only in Vedas to describe themselves as noble people who are at the roots of hinduism. There isn’t a tribe in ancient persia that were called aryans or anything close to this were there. Moreover, Vedas existed for more than 2500yrs BC, some claims (don’t know if there are facts of this) that it might actually be as old as 5000BC probably before Persia was even called Persia. And Hinduism is much older than Zoroastrianism, so I doubt Hindus traveled through time and back just to check what they will do in 300 BC before they wrote the Vedas. Get your facts right and get over it, Zoroastrians were influenced by hindus, so what proves they have been linked since ancient times. They are brothers that are punching each other just to see who’s stronger, its immature and puerile. One is the eldest son, the other the younger ones, same family, same ideas.

  • S.K.Ganguli

    It is very interesting to note all the comments from the start. Was the egg before hen or hen before egg ? All religious ideas or say human ideas originated from the same domain! Read how universe and earth was born . All Mythological story tells similar anecdotes i.e. from water- Ancient Egypt, Israel,Greece,and Indian ones. Ideas developes and then get modified as per geography and historical climates. Early days expression was the base of communication. Then came phonetics, Words. There was no science of writing and hence stories were transferred through generations orally and gets distorted. After invasion of writing scripts, different alphabets or scriptures was written somewhere in Papyrus, some where on tablets, somewhere on palmleaves and accorcing to the stability and durability, scriptures were actually drawn. Hence someone wrote from right to left and some from left to right also letters modified slowly through ages.
    Indian race Dravidians and their features almost a transformation of black race (African style) -no offence-due to floating away of African continent detaching from indian body part. They had developed their own system of culture. It is obvious to note that people of north and cold countries are of fair complexion. Geographical position. There were three civilisation started almost at the same time orginated from one place much much earlier days when all the continenets were in one place before drfiting away. Due to displacement or shifting of continental plates these people got divided . These three places were First North of India so called Mohenjodaro; Harappa, On River Swaraswati or Sindhu; Second place was Mespotamia between Euphretis and Tigris (Iraq) and third was On Nile River.
    There was lot of transmigrassion and one was influencing the other. One can find also Star of David in all these places as Ancient Symbol including India. There was constant war and fight and shifting for search of food and agricultural lands. A natural urge for survival. Then came the trading through land and by sea.
    With these migration took place , inter racial marriage took place and so on. Lnguage also developed in its own way with intermixing of speeches. Sanskrit was made tougher to preserve its identity, so also German and slavic. Hebrew, and Persians took another root depending on the avaiability of base of writing such as clay tablet- right to left. Where you can trace linear inscription more easily. But on a palm leaf you can draw complicated forms and so on. See Oria, Tamil and Telegu, against Hindi and Bengali.
    As for religion and cult we can deliberate long. But every land contributed something to the other while one conquering the others or settling after migration. We can deliberate on vedic and other religion long but all faith started with one omnipotent God. But natural seasons and calamities, also death, had a bearing on creating so many dieties. Temples were made to worship but became a place of corruption- viz. Egypt, Greece, Rome, even in India, Church was also not spared.
    Todays problem of India is caste and the same being flared up by Govt. through, ST,SC; OBC; Minority etc instead of declaring that we are all Indians. One should go forward according to his ability and Govt as well as public (WE) must give them equal opportunity to evolve a new social moral structure. But corrupt Govt just to keep their hold is not allowing it but splitting the country in fragmants.
    That’s all. Let us be honest, but no, we are a greedy lot looking for individual benefit.
    Remember Religion is one ! Religion is our Goal i.e. what we want to achieve. Faith is multipronged – the way we want to achieve our goal- everyone tries different way and in the process becomes dogmatic. This is the demon divides us.
    Even media people do not know the defination and confuses people. God is one. All practices are faith, even Hindu, Christian, Muslim and so on.
    Thanks dear !
    S.K.Ganguli.
    ganguli2012@gmail.com

  • S.K.Ganguli

    It is very interesting to note all the comments from the start. Was the egg before hen or hen before egg ? All religious ideas or say human ideas originated from the same domain! Read how universe and earth was born . All Mythological story tells similar anecdotes i.e. from water- Ancient Egypt, Israel,Greece,and Indian ones. Ideas developes and then get modified as per geography and historical climates. Early days expression was the base of communication. Then came phonetics, Words. There was no science of writing and hence stories were transferred through generations orally and gets distorted. After invasion of writing scripts, different alphabets or scriptures was written somewhere in Papyrus, some where on tablets, somewhere on palmleaves and accorcing to the stability and durability, scriptures were actually drawn. Hence someone wrote from right to left and some from left to right also letters modified slowly through ages.
    Indian race Dravidians and their features almost a transformation of black race (African style) -no offence-due to floating away of African continent detaching from indian body part. They had developed their own system of culture. It is obvious to note that people of north and cold countries are of fair complexion. Geographical position. There were three civilisation started almost at the same time orginated from one place much much earlier days when all the continenets were in one place before drfiting away. Due to displacement or shifting of continental plates these people got divided . These three places were First North of India so called Mohenjodaro; Harappa, On River Swaraswati or Sindhu; Second place was Mespotamia between Euphretis and Tigris (Iraq) and third was On Nile River.
    There was lot of transmigrassion and one was influencing the other. One can find also Star of David in all these places as Ancient Symbol including India. There was constant war and fight and shifting for search of food and agricultural lands. A natural urge for survival. Then came the trading through land and by sea.
    With these migration took place , inter racial marriage took place and so on. Lnguage also developed in its own way with intermixing of speeches. Sanskrit was made tougher to preserve its identity, so also German and slavic. Hebrew, and Persians took another root depending on the avaiability of base of writing such as clay tablet- right to left. Where you can trace linear inscription more easily. But on a palm leaf you can draw complicated forms and so on. See Oria, Tamil and Telegu, against Hindi and Bengali.
    As for religion and cult we can deliberate long. But every land contributed something to the other while one conquering the others or settling after migration. We can deliberate on vedic and other religion long but all faith started with one omnipotent God. But natural seasons and calamities, also death, had a bearing on creating so many dieties. Temples were made to worship but became a place of corruption- viz. Egypt, Greece, Rome, even in India, Church was also not spared.
    Todays problem of India is caste and the same being flared up by Govt. through, ST,SC; OBC; Minority etc instead of declaring that we are all Indians. One should go forward according to his ability and Govt as well as public (WE) must give them equal opportunity to evolve a new social moral structure. But corrupt Govt just to keep their hold is not allowing it but splitting the country in fragmants.
    That’s all. Let us be honest, but no, we are a greedy lot looking for individual benefit.
    Remember Religion is one ! Religion is our Goal i.e. what we want to achieve. Faith is multipronged – the way we want to achieve our goal- everyone tries different way and in the process becomes dogmatic. This is the demon divides us.
    Even media people do not know the defination and confuses people. God is one. All practices are faith, even Hindu, Christian, Muslim and so on.
    Thanks dear !
    S.K.Ganguli.
    ganguli2012@gmail.com

  • plum

    Hi Bro, from you article I can infer that you are one person who is well aware of the life and its short span, that we are bestowed with.

    History is a witness to the atrocities committed by the followers of all the religions, through time, though the scriptures themselves remain innocent! So, what good are they for when blood is shed for them and where lives are lost and when the Scriptures are used to gain political mileages and dominance? What good is ken of history when ink turns to blood and the very pen turns to become a demon causing rifts in Unity?

    My suggestion is that NOW is the time that we spread the One Universal message and that is….”BE GOOD, DO GOOD”. You may believe in whatever you may wish but primarily one has to Be Good to himself from within and to spread it outward. Then Do Good to yourself and others as well…..always unrelentingly. “BE GOOD, DO GOOD”. That should be our sole tenet, right?

  • plum

    Hi Bro, from you article I can infer that you are one person who is well aware of the life and its short span, that we are bestowed with.

    History is a witness to the atrocities committed by the followers of all the religions, through time, though the scriptures themselves remain innocent! So, what good are they for when blood is shed for them and where lives are lost and when the Scriptures are used to gain political mileages and dominance? What good is ken of history when ink turns to blood and the very pen turns to become a demon causing rifts in Unity?

    My suggestion is that NOW is the time that we spread the One Universal message and that is….”BE GOOD, DO GOOD”. You may believe in whatever you may wish but primarily one has to Be Good to himself from within and to spread it outward. Then Do Good to yourself and others as well…..always unrelentingly. “BE GOOD, DO GOOD”. That should be our sole tenet, right?

  • fjihghv

    Persia evolved from indus migrations

  • fjihghv

    Persia evolved from indus migrations

  • Aman Kumar Saini

    for your kind information rigveda was orally transmitted from generation to generation and the scripts of India i.e. kharothi and brahmi were invented at least 1500 years after the composition of first veda i.e. rigveda.

  • Truth Speaker

    This article seems to be the product of a misinformed rookie writer. For example Kshatriya comes from the word Kshatra meaning weapons, arms, and power. This evolved totally different from the Persian word for warrior. Another example is that old Persian was written in a script derrived from Aramaic, whereas Devanagari script evolved from Brahmi script, which was totally independent and unique to India. The Aryan invasion is totally false, and had been disproven through genetic analysis. Furthermore, the ancestors of the Indo Iranians migrated from somewhere, and that location of still debated. These Indo Iranians split into two groups, one moved to Iran whilst the other MIGRATED to India, when the IVC already vanished, or was already in decline. The Vedas predate the Avesta, and Vedic Theology and philosophy aren’t similar to the Zoroastrians traditions. Oh and if you actually read the Avesta you’ll find that there is over 38+ pure Sanskrit words, and far less Avestan words in the Vedas. Hinduism includes the Vedas, Upanishad, Bhagwat Gita etc. Hinduism can be atheist, theist philosophical etc, Zoroastrianism is bluntly monotheistic. Please take down this article it’s misleading, incorrect, and VERY OFFENSIVE.