Where Vultures Dare

Soon there shall be 150, yes, 150 vultures at Doongerwadi . This is not a Gustad Gossip story. It is true. Just as we thought that BPP had abandoned its vulture aviary project (for the uninitiated, to breed vultures in captivity), the Chairman and Khojeste Mistree have achieved a minor miracle.

By Berjis Desai | Mumbai Samachar

For Rs.Two and a half crores, 150 birds will be bought and introduced over the Dokhmas. A giant net over the wells (Adi Doctor to tell us if such net is permissible or is it obstructive of KhurshedNagirashni, that is, rays of the Sun) will prevent escape. It will also prevent the birds from dropping pieces of flesh or bones in neighbouring areas. (Residents of neighbouring skyscrapers will, therefore, be able to eat their Eggs Florentine in peace, without them being garnished by some little Parsi finger).Our sources inform that each bird can consume upto 300 grams of meat per day and, therefore, the consigned bodies will be adequate to feed all 150 birds and also ensure instantaneous disposal of the dead bodies, possibly within hours. If enough bodies are not available, goat meat can be fed.

The economics make sense since BPP will save on solar panel electric power and maintenance cost, ozone spraying cost and of course ‘other expenses’ to keep things quiet. But what about diclofenac? This drug has 400 applications and is widely used, particularly for renal failure. Interestingly, Parsi patients are administered this drug in large measure due to the age profile of our population. The principal cause of vulture extinction is this drug. It cannot be banned as it is life saving and has no equally efficacious substitute. The BPP says that we shall educate the community and Parsi doctors and hospitals to avoid this drug. This is patently absurd. Let your kidney vanish but let not our vultures perish, may be the BPP slogan but none will pay heed to it. Our sources say that 8% mortality rate (for the vultures, not the Parsis) per year is acceptable but unfortunately this drug can be deadly fatal to the vultures. Herein lies the catch. But that may not deter our heroes.

Elections are due in 2015. If in 2013 and 14, Dokhmenashini in its original, pristine from is booming again without stench or embarrassment or controversy, who will not elect the persons who successfully restored the system and allowed many a would be crematee to depart from the serene surroundings of the Towers with full prayers and tradition. However, if this results in a disaster with the birds wiped out in six months and crores wasted, the heroes will turn into zeros and fare badly at the elections. Will they dare? Will they take the Diclofenac Gamble? Not so easy to eat a Parsi and yet stay alive. Watch this space.

  • xyz

    Excellent Bpp. Hats off to Mr. Khojestee Mistry and Mr. Dinshaw Mehta. I am fully in favour of Dokhmenashini. If we get this success, I will definetely vote for Mr. Dinshaw Mehta’s son as Chairman in the next elections which will be done much before October, 2015 provided he promises the community that he will reduce no. of court cases from 2,967 to as much less as possible by doing out-of-court-settlements. He should also promise that no parsi will remain poor and no parsi will remain unemployed. He will also ensure that business loans are given to those who want to do small scale business of their own. He should also give Rs 5,000/- for third child assistance to each and every 83 old couples also and not only to the new ones. All the Best junior mr. mehta.

  • xyz

    Excellent Bpp. Hats off to Mr. Khojestee Mistry and Mr. Dinshaw Mehta. I am fully in favour of Dokhmenashini. If we get this success, I will definetely vote for Mr. Dinshaw Mehta’s son as Chairman in the next elections which will be done much before October, 2015 provided he promises the community that he will reduce no. of court cases from 2,967 to as much less as possible by doing out-of-court-settlements. He should also promise that no parsi will remain poor and no parsi will remain unemployed. He will also ensure that business loans are given to those who want to do small scale business of their own. He should also give Rs 5,000/- for third child assistance to each and every 83 old couples also and not only to the new ones. All the Best junior mr. mehta.

  • Phiroze

    There is a substitute for banned diclofenec – Meloxicam.

  • Phiroze

    There is a substitute for banned diclofenec – Meloxicam.

  • Phiroze

    There is a substitute for banned diclofenec – Meloxicam.

  • Phiroze

    There is a substitute for banned diclofenec – Meloxicam.

  • PHN

    If one doesnt try how will one know if it would be success. I am sure the community will not view the trustees differently if the project fails. Atleast this topic will be put to rest if it doesnt work or one would work on why it didnt work and try to implement measures to improve it. It would be learning process for sure and the community should support it whatever be the outcome.
    Thank you to “Phiroze” who already has recommended an alternative to the harmful drug. Maybe there could be 2 sets of Dokhmas . One with people who had been administered the drug and another who werent. In the past too there were different dokhmas for different purpose.

  • PHN

    If one doesnt try how will one know if it would be success. I am sure the community will not view the trustees differently if the project fails. Atleast this topic will be put to rest if it doesnt work or one would work on why it didnt work and try to implement measures to improve it. It would be learning process for sure and the community should support it whatever be the outcome.
    Thank you to “Phiroze” who already has recommended an alternative to the harmful drug. Maybe there could be 2 sets of Dokhmas . One with people who had been administered the drug and another who werent. In the past too there were different dokhmas for different purpose.

  • PHN

    If one doesnt try how will one know if it would be success. I am sure the community will not view the trustees differently if the project fails. Atleast this topic will be put to rest if it doesnt work or one would work on why it didnt work and try to implement measures to improve it. It would be learning process for sure and the community should support it whatever be the outcome.
    Thank you to “Phiroze” who already has recommended an alternative to the harmful drug. Maybe there could be 2 sets of Dokhmas . One with people who had been administered the drug and another who werent. In the past too there were different dokhmas for different purpose.

  • Adi

    If this Khojeste & Dinshaw show works and if the walls of our tower of silence become perches for 150 vultures (as in days of old) I do not mind being consigned there.

    Also, I agree with xyz (bawa, nam appvama shu khotoo che?) that the Rs 5000/- per month assistance to a couple with the third child up to the age of 18 will be money well spent.

  • Adi

    If this Khojeste & Dinshaw show works and if the walls of our tower of silence become perches for 150 vultures (as in days of old) I do not mind being consigned there.

    Also, I agree with xyz (bawa, nam appvama shu khotoo che?) that the Rs 5000/- per month assistance to a couple with the third child up to the age of 18 will be money well spent.

  • Adi

    If this Khojeste & Dinshaw show works and if the walls of our tower of silence become perches for 150 vultures (as in days of old) I do not mind being consigned there.

    Also, I agree with xyz (bawa, nam appvama shu khotoo che?) that the Rs 5000/- per month assistance to a couple with the third child up to the age of 18 will be money well spent.

  • Zerxes.

    Yes ‘Dr’. Phiroze Panthaky. But are you authorized to issue death certificates?

  • Zerxes.

    Yes ‘Dr’. Phiroze Panthaky. But are you authorized to issue death certificates?

  • Zerxes

    @XYZ.
    Chairmanship is based on seniority and there is no voting for post of Chairman, separately.So you or I have no say in this.

  • Zerxes

    @XYZ.
    Chairmanship is based on seniority and there is no voting for post of Chairman, separately.So you or I have no say in this.

  • Zerxes

    @XYZ.
    Chairmanship is based on seniority and there is no voting for post of Chairman, separately.So you or I have no say in this.

  • Viraf

    Mr. Phiroze, FYI:Meloxicam causes
    : severe hepatic impairment, bleeding
    disorders, renal failure.

    Its other adverse effects are Dyspepsia, headache, nausea, diarrhea,
    upper respiratory

    Infection, abdominal
    pain,dizziness,oedema,flatulence,influenza like symptoms etc.

    (Source C.I.M.S)

  • Viraf

    Mr. Phiroze, FYI:Meloxicam causes
    : severe hepatic impairment, bleeding
    disorders, renal failure.

    Its other adverse effects are Dyspepsia, headache, nausea, diarrhea,
    upper respiratory

    Infection, abdominal
    pain,dizziness,oedema,flatulence,influenza like symptoms etc.

    (Source C.I.M.S)

  • Viraf

    Mr. Phiroze, FYI:Meloxicam causes
    : severe hepatic impairment, bleeding
    disorders, renal failure.

    Its other adverse effects are Dyspepsia, headache, nausea, diarrhea,
    upper respiratory

    Infection, abdominal
    pain,dizziness,oedema,flatulence,influenza like symptoms etc.

    (Source C.I.M.S)

  • Contradhongi

    Birds survive in greenery. Trees give cover against Sun. Nestling on walls of concrete will mean end of birds due to immense heat. Yet I would like them to conduct this experiment and after its result, we would be happy to hold such B.P.P. Trustees liable for financial loss.This time “REFORMISTS’ will NOT rescue. Let them go ahead with their grandiose plan.

  • Contradhongi

    Birds survive in greenery. Trees give cover against Sun. Nestling on walls of concrete will mean end of birds due to immense heat. Yet I would like them to conduct this experiment and after its result, we would be happy to hold such B.P.P. Trustees liable for financial loss.This time “REFORMISTS’ will NOT rescue. Let them go ahead with their grandiose plan.

  • Contradhongi

    Birds survive in greenery. Trees give cover against Sun. Nestling on walls of concrete will mean end of birds due to immense heat. Yet I would like them to conduct this experiment and after its result, we would be happy to hold such B.P.P. Trustees liable for financial loss.This time “REFORMISTS’ will NOT rescue. Let them go ahead with their grandiose plan.

  • Phiroze

    Thank you viraf. Can you post a similar list from the same source for diclofenac too for comparision. Thank you in advance

  • Phiroze

    Thank you viraf. Can you post a similar list from the same source for diclofenac too for comparision. Thank you in advance

  • Phiroze

    Thank you viraf. Can you post a similar list from the same source for diclofenac too for comparision. Thank you in advance

  • P. Dubash

    Dear Phiroze., What is the basis of your conclusion that the drug Diclofenac alone is responsible for the disappearance of the birds. If that were so, then how is it that such birds have disappeared even from towns and cities where there are no Parsees or where the sky burial is not practised. Can you explain why we do not find such birds of prey around Deonar. Abattoir.?

  • P. Dubash

    Dear Phiroze., What is the basis of your conclusion that the drug Diclofenac alone is responsible for the disappearance of the birds. If that were so, then how is it that such birds have disappeared even from towns and cities where there are no Parsees or where the sky burial is not practised. Can you explain why we do not find such birds of prey around Deonar. Abattoir.?

  • Viraf

    Adverse effects of Diclofenac as desired by Phiroze. Source CIMS.
    G.I. Disturbances, headache,dizziness,rash.G.I. bleeding,,peptic ulceration.
    HAVING PROVIDED THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF DICLOFENAC, PHIROZE WILL YOU PLEASE CLARIFY:
    1)In what way Meloxicam is better than diclofenac,
    2) The proof that Meloxicam administration will not lead to same
    consequences as of diclofenac, on birds of prey.

    Thnks you too in advance .

  • Viraf

    Adverse effects of Diclofenac as desired by Phiroze. Source CIMS.
    G.I. Disturbances, headache,dizziness,rash.G.I. bleeding,,peptic ulceration.
    HAVING PROVIDED THE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF DICLOFENAC, PHIROZE WILL YOU PLEASE CLARIFY:
    1)In what way Meloxicam is better than diclofenac,
    2) The proof that Meloxicam administration will not lead to same
    consequences as of diclofenac, on birds of prey.

    Thnks you too in advance .

  • Phiroze

    Dear P. Dubash, Firstly it is not my conclusion but what is reported by the media. I was given to understand that diclofenac was used on animals by vets and when the birds eat their carcasses their liver or kidney fails and they die. Hence the vultures were dying all over India. My understanding is besides the antibiotics in the bodies of the dead Parsis it is also the loss of habitat around Doongerwadi which led to their extinction. Godrej baug should never have been built. However birds are only one part of the system. The main part “SUN” is still abundant except for a few days during monsoon.

  • Phiroze

    Dear P. Dubash, Firstly it is not my conclusion but what is reported by the media. I was given to understand that diclofenac was used on animals by vets and when the birds eat their carcasses their liver or kidney fails and they die. Hence the vultures were dying all over India. My understanding is besides the antibiotics in the bodies of the dead Parsis it is also the loss of habitat around Doongerwadi which led to their extinction. Godrej baug should never have been built. However birds are only one part of the system. The main part “SUN” is still abundant except for a few days during monsoon.

  • RATHESTAR.

    not Raidsc

  • RATHESTAR.

    not Raidsc

  • RATHESTAR

    I am not saying this. But in order to gain knowledge, one cannot rely on Community’ ‘Weaklies’ but enrich knowledge. I quote herebelow an authentic clarification.
    http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/07/24/indias-vulture-population-has-plummeted-from-40-million-to-60000-poisoned-by-drug-diclofenac/

    Diclofenac use is not the only
    reason for decline in vulture populations ;drastic loss of habitat is the major
    cause; the tall sturdy and stately trees that vultures generally
    prefer to nest have become sparse in the rural landscape; their exclusive food
    like the carcasses of cattle ,not only is poisoned, but its availability
    reduced ;earlier a dead cattle in a village became the property of the village
    cobbler who skinned the animal for the skin and abandoned the rest of meat and
    bones, for the vulture; now a days the sick and dying cattle are sold to the
    slaughter houses.we seem to rely too much on captive rearing as a panacea for
    all evils; the overwhelming influence of the habitat on animal populations can
    best be seen in the populations of the street dog; slaughtered by the
    municipalities for over hundred years,no city has got rid of them ;it is not
    only their high breeding rate but the availability of a good habitat with
    water,food and shelter that enabled its survival.

    Source: EcoLocalizer (http://s.tt/12tNg)

  • RATHESTAR

    I am not saying this. But in order to gain knowledge, one cannot rely on Community’ ‘Weaklies’ but enrich knowledge. I quote herebelow an authentic clarification.
    http://ecolocalizer.com/2009/07/24/indias-vulture-population-has-plummeted-from-40-million-to-60000-poisoned-by-drug-diclofenac/

    Diclofenac use is not the only
    reason for decline in vulture populations ;drastic loss of habitat is the major
    cause; the tall sturdy and stately trees that vultures generally
    prefer to nest have become sparse in the rural landscape; their exclusive food
    like the carcasses of cattle ,not only is poisoned, but its availability
    reduced ;earlier a dead cattle in a village became the property of the village
    cobbler who skinned the animal for the skin and abandoned the rest of meat and
    bones, for the vulture; now a days the sick and dying cattle are sold to the
    slaughter houses.we seem to rely too much on captive rearing as a panacea for
    all evils; the overwhelming influence of the habitat on animal populations can
    best be seen in the populations of the street dog; slaughtered by the
    municipalities for over hundred years,no city has got rid of them ;it is not
    only their high breeding rate but the availability of a good habitat with
    water,food and shelter that enabled its survival.

    Source: EcoLocalizer (http://s.tt/12tNg)

  • Percy

    If only this money was used to open a Sperm Bank from parsi sperm donors. And a seperate clinic for cultivating test tube parsi babies to increase the population. Or atleast preserving the Mazdayasni seeding progeny.
    Well any ways, I was thinking of cremating my body, but now I have changed my mind. I hope it starts soon, atleast I will full parsi rites.

  • Percy

    If only this money was used to open a Sperm Bank from parsi sperm donors. And a seperate clinic for cultivating test tube parsi babies to increase the population. Or atleast preserving the Mazdayasni seeding progeny.
    Well any ways, I was thinking of cremating my body, but now I have changed my mind. I hope it starts soon, atleast I will full parsi rites.

  • P.Dubash

    Phirozebhai, I fully agree with you. All that I am saying is what if Vultures in the Aviary are fed meant of sheeps and goats who when injured were given shots of diclofenac.

  • P.Dubash

    Phirozebhai, I fully agree with you. All that I am saying is what if Vultures in the Aviary are fed meant of sheeps and goats who when injured were given shots of diclofenac.

  • Rashna

    If we have to believe Phiroze that the main part is SUN then Phiroze owes us a clarification why a B.P.P. Trustee is obsessed with experiment of setting up an Aviary?

  • Rashna

    If we have to believe Phiroze that the main part is SUN then Phiroze owes us a clarification why a B.P.P. Trustee is obsessed with experiment of setting up an Aviary?

  • Behroze

    Let those B.P.P. Trustees in favour of Aviary, first invest their own money in this project and they can get back their monies with annual return of say 15% if the project is successful. They cannot dissipate public charity funds in such experiments. Alternatively, conduct this experiment on a small scale in Ahmedabad or Surat and after seeing its outcome, adopt it in Mumbai.The annual recurrent expenditure is likely to be Rs. 60,00,000. Sixty lakhs. With 300 deaths per year just calculate cost of Aviary per each dead Parsee..

  • Behroze

    Let those B.P.P. Trustees in favour of Aviary, first invest their own money in this project and they can get back their monies with annual return of say 15% if the project is successful. They cannot dissipate public charity funds in such experiments. Alternatively, conduct this experiment on a small scale in Ahmedabad or Surat and after seeing its outcome, adopt it in Mumbai.The annual recurrent expenditure is likely to be Rs. 60,00,000. Sixty lakhs. With 300 deaths per year just calculate cost of Aviary per each dead Parsee..

  • piloomani

    It is time we (Parsis) realise our mistake in electing the 7 fools sitting in BPP whose only intention is forcing a system (dokhmenshi) to work, spending huge unnecessary amounts i.e.present budget Rs.2.5 crores which will definitely and conveniently go upto Rs.50 crores. BPP trustees have conveniently ignored the other tenents of our religion and only emphasise this aspect. How unfortunate our community is to have such illogical trustees whereas we should be using the burial system practised by Zoroastrian Communities worldwide which is most convenient. Do the BPP trustees think that by consigning the dead body of a Parsi to Dokhmenshi or conducting the 12 years farijayat prayers for the dead person his/her sins will be wiped off. The answer is a big no.

    I request the BPP Trustees to stop this foolishness about the aviary and dokhmenshi and start living in a REAL PRACTICAL LOGICAL WORLD.

    Already you have brought enough controversies and bad name to the Parsi community, by issuing statements about poor parsis (Rs.90,000/-) please stop doing all nonsense.

  • piloomani

    It is time we (Parsis) realise our mistake in electing the 7 fools sitting in BPP whose only intention is forcing a system (dokhmenshi) to work, spending huge unnecessary amounts i.e.present budget Rs.2.5 crores which will definitely and conveniently go upto Rs.50 crores. BPP trustees have conveniently ignored the other tenents of our religion and only emphasise this aspect. How unfortunate our community is to have such illogical trustees whereas we should be using the burial system practised by Zoroastrian Communities worldwide which is most convenient. Do the BPP trustees think that by consigning the dead body of a Parsi to Dokhmenshi or conducting the 12 years farijayat prayers for the dead person his/her sins will be wiped off. The answer is a big no.

    I request the BPP Trustees to stop this foolishness about the aviary and dokhmenshi and start living in a REAL PRACTICAL LOGICAL WORLD.

    Already you have brought enough controversies and bad name to the Parsi community, by issuing statements about poor parsis (Rs.90,000/-) please stop doing all nonsense.

  • gb

    I fully agree with Behroze. Each trustee has sufficient personal funds to invest in such a project from their own funds instead of using community money on trial and error basis methods. As it is Bpp has lot of in-fighting going on amongst the trustees and they need money for anything and everything – just to increase fights – instead of solving problems mutually, peacefully, amicably. I hope Almighty God gives them some common sense first.

  • gb

    I fully agree with Behroze. Each trustee has sufficient personal funds to invest in such a project from their own funds instead of using community money on trial and error basis methods. As it is Bpp has lot of in-fighting going on amongst the trustees and they need money for anything and everything – just to increase fights – instead of solving problems mutually, peacefully, amicably. I hope Almighty God gives them some common sense first.

  • gb

    I agrree with you Percy. But how many Parsees will donate their sperms in this Bank to increase Parsee Community. I think we should arrange a free -movie show for 7 trustees of BPP of the movie VICKY-DONOR produced by John Abraham.

  • gb

    I agrree with you Percy. But how many Parsees will donate their sperms in this Bank to increase Parsee Community. I think we should arrange a free -movie show for 7 trustees of BPP of the movie VICKY-DONOR produced by John Abraham.