Dinshaw Tamboly: Decline of the Parsee Community In India

The Parsees, a proud community, having impressive resources, is perhaps one of the smallest communities in India if not the smallest. As per the 2001 Census of India the number of Parsee’s in India had been computed at 69,601 only, which is undoubtedly a drop in the ocean of India as a whole.

By Dinshaw Kaiki Tamboly

The birth of the 7,000,000,000th (seven billionth) child on our planet on 31st October 2011 and thinking of this number vis-à-vis the number of Parsees in India (69,601 as per the 2001 census) and all over the world (estimated to be around 120,000) was the motivation of this treatise.

Out of the 7 billion inhabitants on the planet, 1.2 billion are known to live in India.

Whilst the community-wise census figures as per 2011 Census of India are yet to be released, the trend suggests that amongst Parsees there will be decline of at-least 10% every decade.

On the basis of world population (7,000,000,000), Parsees residing all over the world (120,000) account for 0.0017% of the world population.

On the basis of the population of India (1,200,000,000), Parsees residing there (69,601) account for 0.0058% of the population of India.

Whilst the number of Parsees is indeed insignificant, their contribution to the development of India has been substantial. Paradoxically, the successes achieved by our community appear to be threatening our very survival. The story of Parsees today is that of a people driving themselves to extinction. Whilst a section of the community is in denial mode about this dilemma, the steep decline of around 10% or more in subsequent decades is catastrophic and can only lead to near disappearance.

The community numbers as per the 2011 census when released will tell its own story. The most serious problem that our community is beset with is the problem of falling numbers which needs to be earnestly addressed and corrective action taken.

Based on a 10% decrease every decade, the Parsee race in India will come down to 41,099 by 2050 and 24,268 by 2100.

If one calculates the depletion @ 12% per decade, the figures can be 36,730 by 2050 and 19,382 by 2100.

The decimation of numbers will in all probability accelerate in the years to come as the 2001 census has identified 24.1% of Parsees to be above 65 years of age.

Factors contributing to falling numbers:

  1. Deaths outnumber births.
  1. The community has an unusually large number of men & women who prefer to remain single. The community also has unusually high instances of late marriages. Even in couples who are economically well placed one finds the desire to restrict the number of children to one or maximum two.

Being a highly literate (nearly 100%) community, the focus of young women & men is to opt for higher education levels, preferring late marriages, couples choosing to earn double incomes (both spouses working) rather than starting families.

The priorities of the youth are:

Ø Keen to get higher education.

Ø Establish their careers and be well settled in life before even thinking of matrimony leading to either a late marriage or remaining single.

Further:

Ø Those who marry tend to have fewer children.

(For a community that is minuscule to begin with, even a few hundred youth choosing not to have children or restricting the size of their families makes a big impact on the future demographic trend of the community).

  1. Perhaps, on account of the predominant inbreeding within the community over the last few centuries, or for whatever other reason, the rate of infertility is exceptionally high. This coupled with late marriages as mentioned (in 2) above has contributed towards minimal births in the community.
  1. Migration by youth – the academically inclined and talented youth of the community opt to enrol in overseas universities for higher education mainly due to their being unable to procure admission on merit in Indian universities, due to the seat reservation policies. This also contributes towards a brain drain from the country and accounts for a shift in numbers to outside India.
  1. Housing and migration into Mumbai are two interlinked issues.

a. Mumbai is undoubtedly the city of dreams that provides opportunities to all those who reside in it. For Parsees residing in Mumbai, the benefit is double. In addition to opportunities that the metropolis provides, the benevolence of a plethora of Trusts & philanthropists make available multifarious benefits towards their welfare.

No community in Mumbai provides decent subsidised housing facilities to their members on the scale that Parsees enjoy.

In spite of the massive housing facilities made available by various Trusts, the pressures to create additional housing infrastructure results in long waiting lists of applicants, adding to the malaise of late marriages and consequently fewer births.

b. Mumbai has various institutions of learning in all known disciplines. Parsee youth residing in smaller cities and towns, prefer to pursue education at Mumbai, after which they are reluctant to move back to their origins, thereby creating pressures on subsidised community housing provided by various community Trusts. This results in many of the youth not being able to find suitable accommodation whereby they are unable to plan for marriage and raise families.

c. Many Parsees residing outside Mumbai, especially from Gujarat, migrate to Mumbai seeking better job opportunities and subsidised community housing. Inability to quickly procure subsidised community housing, they are unable to provide their children with an adequate life style resulting in their adolescent children not being able to plan for their future (marriage / raising families).

[Between 1901 and 2001 (100 years), whilst there was a depletion of 25,309 in the all India number of Parsees, there was actually a marginal increase of 326 in the number of Parsees residing in Mumbai. This should serve to establish the ongoing influx into Mumbai].

  1. Parsees were perhaps the first amongst Indian communities to introduce education and empowerment amongst their women and showcase them as their most distinctive strength.

[It is ironical that there should be a gender bias by way of ecclesiastical decree whereby children of Parsee women married to men of other communities are not accepted within the community fold].

Strangely, in an era of ‘equal opportunities’ there is no such decree on men who marry outside the community or on their children.

Are there any possible remedies?

There are no problems that do not have solutions. However, what is very important is for the Parsee community to demonstrate that it has realised that the community is on its way to near extinction and are serious about taking corrective action. In all likelihood, whilst many within the community are aware of the crisis situation, the regrettable part is that no individual or institution has shown the inclination to dispassionately address such a critical issue.

If any race wishes to survive, it is necessary that it must first display that it has the will to do so.

It is considered to be a national calamity if 12% of the population of any country is more than 60 years of age. Japan has 10% of those over 60 years of age, whilst Canada has 12% in this category. Both these countries have undertaken measures to increase their populace.

Whilst India has less than 5% of the population over 60 years, the Parsee community, an integral part of India, has 24.1% of their members over 65 years of age, probably the highest ratio anywhere in the world. Unfortunately, the Parsee community has not taken serious heed of this startling reality nor undertaken any corrective measures.

There is no remedy to reverse the biological process of aging. Parsees are known to have higher longevity than other communities in India, (24.1% of Parsees being above 65 years of age); however, when this generation of ‘elders’ born in the 1930’s, 1940’s and 1950’s pass on, the intensity of our depleting numbers will be even more rapid.

With the Parsees having long gone beyond the point of no return towards biologically increasing their numbers, unless each couple begets 4 or more children – which does not seem practical, the immediate initiative should be to contain the falling numbers and stabilise them at the present levels.

This too may prove to be a tall order, for even to achieve the task of stabilising numbers at present level, the options available within the present framework of the community’s social structure and religious acceptability are extremely limited.

Only three extremely modest possibilities appear to be available:

  1. To combat the low birth rate, a pioneering initiative was taken in January 2004 at Mumbai by the Bombay Parsi Punchayet of extending financial support towards fertility treatment for young couples who could not conceive. This initiative had yielded encouraging results. As per a recent report (February 2012) in the community media it was mentioned that since the project was introduced in April 2004, clinically assisted pregnancy has occurred in 222 of the couples treated.

The logical step would therefore be for local leadership in all cities wherever there is a fair sprinkling of youth to introduce fertility treatment for young couples.

  1. Parsee youth who do not get admissions to educational institutions in spite of obtaining high percentages in their examinations prefer to study overseas for which they have to avail of loans. After completion of studies students prefer to stay on overseas to pay off the loans they have taken. This leads to the cascading effect of a young qualified youth holding a good job not keen to return to India after completion of their studies. This also adds to brain drain from the country.

The Parsi Member of the Minorities Commission should be requested to pursue this with the Government and request that it should be made mandatory to provide between 3% to 5% seat reservations for Parsee students in educational institutions established by Parsees, but where the administration of the institution is no longer in their hands.

  1. Focus on improving the lifestyle of the elders (shelter, food and clothing) which would act as reassurance to the youth that a support mechanism exists to make the evening of their lives comfortable, thereby motivating them to concentrate not only on career opportunities but also on starting families.

Shelter, food and clothing for those in need can and should be achieved by harnessing the vast resources existing within the community, known for its philanthropy through Trusts, individuals and companies.

In addition to the above, concerted efforts should be undertaken at community level creating awareness about the seriousness of the situations that are leading Parsees towards extinction. The Parsee media should regularly highlight this in a responsible way.

The Parsees of India, have over the years, insulated themselves into a very closely knit, inwardly focussed community as far as marriages are concerned.

The Parsee clergy in India propounds that one must be born into the faith (preferably of both Parsee parents) to be considered and accepted as Parsees. Such an ecclesiastical decree aimed at preserving the ‘purity’ of the race, coupled with the demographic mix indeed makes the enterprise of stabilising the numbers at their present levels even more daunting.

In Conclusion:

As a member of the Parsee community, concerned about the issue of falling numbers, the purpose of this treatise has been to objectively analyse the various issues that have contributed towards the falling numbers of Parsees.

The solution to the vexed problem of rapidly diminishing numbers is not one that requires only infusion of funds but also that of the willingness of the mind to realise reality and read the clear writing on the wall.

The issue needs to be addressed through the collective wisdom of the Parsee community, its rank & file, community leadership and religious leadership to determine and decide whether they wish to continue on the path towards extinction or whether they have the inclination, maturity and foresight to make adjustments as may be required for the survival of the race.

Annexure 1

Census – 2001 Parsees

Figures as per Census of India: 1901 – 2001

Year

India

%age

Mumbai

%age

1901

94,910

 

46,231

 

1911

100,096

+5.5

50,931

+10.2

1921

101,778

+1.7

52,234

+2.6

1931

109,752

+7.8

57,765

+10.6

1941

114,890

+4.7

59,813

+3.5

1951

111,791

-3.7

68,660

+14.8

1961

100,772

-9.9

70,065

+2.1

1971

91,378

-9.3

64,667

-7.7

1981

71,630

-21.6

50,053

-22.6

1991

76,382

+6.6

53,794

+7.5

2001

69,601

-8.9

46,557

-13.5

Difference

Between

1901-2001

-25,309

-26.67

+326

+0.7

The excess of deaths over birth in the last 5 decades in Mumbai also shows how critical the situation actually is :

Year Births Deaths Excess

1955 788 878 90

1965 856 1,037 181

1975 576 1,010 434

1985 601 966 365

1995 367 936 569

2002 300 858 558

I) According to the 2001 Census Report, the Parsi population in India has been computed to be 69,601.

II) The major concentrations are in:-

(a) Mumbai / Thane regions : 46,000

(b) Pune : 10,000

(c) Ahmedabad : About 1,500

(d) Surat : About 3,500

(e) Navsari : About 2,000

(f) Baroda : About 2,000

(g) Kolkata : 600

(h) Jamshedpur : 250

(i) Bangalore : 800

(j) Chennai : 400

(k) Delhi : 800

(l) Hyderabad / Secunderabad : 1,500

(m) Other locations : 250

III) Overseas Population (Estimated):

1) Pakistan : 2,200

2) Iran : 20,000 (According to Tehran

and Yezd Anjumans) though its

Government puts it at over 50,000.

3) UK : 5,000

4) North America : 18,000

(USA + Canada)

5) Australia & New Zealand : 2,000

6) Singapore : 120

7) Hongkong / Macau : 120

8) South Africa : 40

9) Sri Lanka : Under 100

10) Dubai : About 1,500

11) Middle East : About 2,500

IV) Emigration Patterns:

(a) The first wave of emigration started, really to Britain (95% of it to London and its 25 Home Counties) soon after World War II. Many Parsees who fought for the Crown stayed back. Until 5 – 7 years ago, the population was believed to be 5,000 – 6,000 plus.

(b) The next major wave was to Canada, and it persisted for nearly 30 years, swelling the Canadian Parsi population to about 10,000.

(c) The third major wave went to the US – almost all of them either technocrats or academics.

(d) In the last 10 years, with the liberalisation of immigration patterns in both Australia and New Zealand, around 2,000 Parsees have now migrated to these countries.

Annexure 2

Projections of decline based on 10% & 12% reduction every decade based on 2001 census figures:

Year

Projected Numbers

@ 10% decline

Projected Numbers

@12% decline

2001

69,601

69,601

2011

62,641

61,249

2021

56,377

53,899

2031

50,739

47,431

2041

45,665

41,739

2051

41,099

36,730

2061

36,989

32,322

2071

33, 290

28,443

2081

29,961

25,030

2091

26,965

22,026

2101

24,268

19,382

  • Pkirani

    The only way for your community to survive is to invite Iranians to India can convert them to Zoroastrianism. 

  • Pkirani

    The only way for your community to survive is to invite Iranians to India can convert them to Zoroastrianism. 

  • Firoze Hirjikaka

    The whole debate on the decline in number of Parsis and threat of eventual extinction centers around the artificial distinction between ethnic identity and religion. We Parsis like to think of ourselves as special and somehow different – and even superior – to Zarathustis living in other countries. We could take a lesson from the Jews. For 2000 years, they were scattered all over the globe, but their faith kept them united. It did not matter to them that they were Ashkenazi or Seraphim or Baghdadi and belonged to different races and even had different skin colour. They were all Jews first and foremost. Even today in Israel, the only criterion for citizenship is that you belong to the Jewish religion.
    This unjustified exclusivity claimed by Parsis  is unjustified. To claim that only we are Zarathustra’s chosen people has no foundation in fact or in our scriptures. And yet we see ridiculous boards outside our Agiaries like “Entry only for ParsiZoroastrians.” If we include ourselves among the worldwide community of Zoroastrians, there is no threat of declining numbers. There are tens of thousands of Zoroastrians presently living not only in Iran but in several Central Asian republics like Azerbaijan, Tadlikstan, etc. We are alone only because we choose to be.

  • Firoze Hirjikaka

    The whole debate on the decline in number of Parsis and threat of eventual extinction centers around the artificial distinction between ethnic identity and religion. We Parsis like to think of ourselves as special and somehow different – and even superior – to Zarathustis living in other countries. We could take a lesson from the Jews. For 2000 years, they were scattered all over the globe, but their faith kept them united. It did not matter to them that they were Ashkenazi or Seraphim or Baghdadi and belonged to different races and even had different skin colour. They were all Jews first and foremost. Even today in Israel, the only criterion for citizenship is that you belong to the Jewish religion.
    This unjustified exclusivity claimed by Parsis  is unjustified. To claim that only we are Zarathustra’s chosen people has no foundation in fact or in our scriptures. And yet we see ridiculous boards outside our Agiaries like “Entry only for ParsiZoroastrians.” If we include ourselves among the worldwide community of Zoroastrians, there is no threat of declining numbers. There are tens of thousands of Zoroastrians presently living not only in Iran but in several Central Asian republics like Azerbaijan, Tadlikstan, etc. We are alone only because we choose to be.

  • Kersi Rustomji

    I have had many major, some even abusive, confrontations with fellow Parsis on the matter of declining Parsi population. Very regretably, this highly educated and learned community is so steeped in its myopic beliefs, of unsubstantiated rites and rituals, the most destructive being their assertion of ‘apri chokhi jaat,’ our pure race/ community, that it is extremely difficult to visualize any forward and constructive thoughts and actions emerging from the Parsi community, particularly in India.

    The stranglehold of a few members of the community in Mumbai and elsewhere, who in some cases indulge in most unpleasant rhetorics, to bully and supress those who may even intimate at certain social and orher changes within the community, will send the last Indian, and especially Mumbai Parsis to the Dungerwadi, their last spot of departure.
    Any society that persists in continueing to live in the  past, turns a deliberate blind eye, and closes its mind to the problems, all problems, that affects it future existance, is most certainly doomed to extinction, and the Parsis, in not too distant future, are positively treading the path towards it.

    It is my request that any Parsi who wishes to comment or reply in any form of abusive tirade, please remember your three tenets and refrain from doing so or contacting me. Thanks.

    Kersi Rustomji.
    Australia. 

  • Kersi Rustomji

    I have had many major, some even abusive, confrontations with fellow Parsis on the matter of declining Parsi population. Very regretably, this highly educated and learned community is so steeped in its myopic beliefs, of unsubstantiated rites and rituals, the most destructive being their assertion of ‘apri chokhi jaat,’ our pure race/ community, that it is extremely difficult to visualize any forward and constructive thoughts and actions emerging from the Parsi community, particularly in India.

    The stranglehold of a few members of the community in Mumbai and elsewhere, who in some cases indulge in most unpleasant rhetorics, to bully and supress those who may even intimate at certain social and orher changes within the community, will send the last Indian, and especially Mumbai Parsis to the Dungerwadi, their last spot of departure.
    Any society that persists in continueing to live in the  past, turns a deliberate blind eye, and closes its mind to the problems, all problems, that affects it future existance, is most certainly doomed to extinction, and the Parsis, in not too distant future, are positively treading the path towards it.

    It is my request that any Parsi who wishes to comment or reply in any form of abusive tirade, please remember your three tenets and refrain from doing so or contacting me. Thanks.

    Kersi Rustomji.
    Australia. 

  • Kersi Rustomji

    I have had many major, some even abusive, confrontations with fellow Parsis on the matter of declining Parsi population. Very regretably, this highly educated and learned community is so steeped in its myopic beliefs, of unsubstantiated rites and rituals, the most destructive being their assertion of ‘apri chokhi jaat,’ our pure race/ community, that it is extremely difficult to visualize any forward and constructive thoughts and actions emerging from the Parsi community, particularly in India.

    The stranglehold of a few members of the community in Mumbai and elsewhere, who in some cases indulge in most unpleasant rhetorics, to bully and supress those who may even intimate at certain social and orher changes within the community, will send the last Indian, and especially Mumbai Parsis to the Dungerwadi, their last spot of departure.
    Any society that persists in continueing to live in the  past, turns a deliberate blind eye, and closes its mind to the problems, all problems, that affects it future existance, is most certainly doomed to extinction, and the Parsis, in not too distant future, are positively treading the path towards it.

    It is my request that any Parsi who wishes to comment or reply in any form of abusive tirade, please remember your three tenets and refrain from doing so or contacting me. Thanks.

    Kersi Rustomji.
    Australia. 

  • RATHESTAR.

    I FULLY AGREE WITH KERSI RUSTOMJI  ABOUT HIS OBSERVATIONS OF TENDENCY TO LIVE IN THE PAST .I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FEW POINTS.
    FIRSTLY, THE COMMUNITY SUFFERS FROM WHAT IS KNOWN AS DEMONSTRATION EFFECT WHICH IMPLIES RACE FOR BETTER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN PREVIOUS GENERATION. THIS STARTED  ABOUT 100 YEARS BACK BECAUSE PARSEES BELIEVED IN APING THE BRITISHERS. THIS IS REFLECTED IN SINGLE BAWAS /BAWIS IN THEIR 80 & 90’s.
    SO THE CAUSES OF DEMOGRAPHIC DECLINE COMMENCED  A CENTURY BACK. 
    SECONDLY, OUR ELDERS IN POSITION DO NOT SUPPORT THE YOUNGSTERS IN THEIR CAREERS UNLIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
    IN POST INDEPENDENCE INDIA WITH EPIDEMIC OF RESERVATIONS FOR SO CALLED DEPRESSED CLASSES, PARSEES THEMSELVES HAVE BECOME “ELIGIBLE” TO BE CLASSIFIED AS BACKWARDS.

  • RATHESTAR.

    I FULLY AGREE WITH KERSI RUSTOMJI  ABOUT HIS OBSERVATIONS OF TENDENCY TO LIVE IN THE PAST .I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FEW POINTS.
    FIRSTLY, THE COMMUNITY SUFFERS FROM WHAT IS KNOWN AS DEMONSTRATION EFFECT WHICH IMPLIES RACE FOR BETTER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN PREVIOUS GENERATION. THIS STARTED  ABOUT 100 YEARS BACK BECAUSE PARSEES BELIEVED IN APING THE BRITISHERS. THIS IS REFLECTED IN SINGLE BAWAS /BAWIS IN THEIR 80 & 90’s.
    SO THE CAUSES OF DEMOGRAPHIC DECLINE COMMENCED  A CENTURY BACK. 
    SECONDLY, OUR ELDERS IN POSITION DO NOT SUPPORT THE YOUNGSTERS IN THEIR CAREERS UNLIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
    IN POST INDEPENDENCE INDIA WITH EPIDEMIC OF RESERVATIONS FOR SO CALLED DEPRESSED CLASSES, PARSEES THEMSELVES HAVE BECOME “ELIGIBLE” TO BE CLASSIFIED AS BACKWARDS.

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  • Pervez Siganporia

    A very complicated super-intelligent proposal indeed.

  • Pervez Siganporia

    A very complicated super-intelligent proposal indeed.

  • Pervez Siganporia

    Why not send just a few priests to Iran to convert them ?

  • Pervez Siganporia

    Why not send just a few priests to Iran to convert them ?

  • Kersi Rustomji

    What Firoze has stated re other non-Parsi Zoroastrians, and the Parsi assimilation with these is one manner in which the Parsis can possibly survive. The Parsis seem to forget that as far as their attitude regarding ‘apri chohki jaat,’ is nothing but a myth, founded on figment of rather ethnic-egocentrism, perpetuated my Parsi ‘mullahs.’

    If any Parsi is truely honest in reckongnising the historical facts of the regions where the Parsis came from, they cannot deny the fact that they are descendents of not any one, but many etnic groups, that populated these regions. Also whether one accepts it or not, the fact remains that there was misegenation among these many peoples and tribes, both in the pre and post Zoroastrian periods. The last such mix of blood was during the conquest of the area by Alexander the Great. As a state policy to bring the conquered lands totally under the Greek umbrella, his soldiers were asked and encouraged to marry among the conquered people. Alexander too married a Persian princess. Just look at the very Grecian Parsi noses!

    There is also nothing, absolutely nothing in Zoroaster’s teachings that prohibits any person from becoming a Zarathusty. Even the Parsi, after all, were not born Zarthustis. They embraced the teachings of  Zarathustra, and hence became Zartuhustis.

    The reason for the isolationist practice by the Parsi in India, is based not on any religious foundation at all, but on the undertaking given to the King Jadav of Sanjan, being one of the conditions set for the Iranian Zoroastrians refugees, later called Parsi, it being that the new settlers would not undertake to convert the local people into their, the refugee’s Faith. 

    That, and only that, is the basis for not allowing converts in India and elsewhere into the Zoroastrian Faith, whereever the Parsi have settled. Any religion based arguments against conversion of non-Parsis is the ethnic-egocentrism, perpetuated by the Parsi ‘mullahs.’

    What an insult the Parsis offer to a nation that gave them refuge by placing signs like ‘Fakt Parsi vaste,’ For Paris Only,or as Firoze has pointed out,   “Entry only for Parsi Zoroastrians.”

    If the Parsis practice isolation even among their fellow Zoroastrian as per the above mentioned sign, I fear their chances of survival are less and lress.

    Kersi Rustomji.
    Australia.

  • Kersi Rustomji

    What Firoze has stated re other non-Parsi Zoroastrians, and the Parsi assimilation with these is one manner in which the Parsis can possibly survive. The Parsis seem to forget that as far as their attitude regarding ‘apri chohki jaat,’ is nothing but a myth, founded on figment of rather ethnic-egocentrism, perpetuated my Parsi ‘mullahs.’

    If any Parsi is truely honest in reckongnising the historical facts of the regions where the Parsis came from, they cannot deny the fact that they are descendents of not any one, but many etnic groups, that populated these regions. Also whether one accepts it or not, the fact remains that there was misegenation among these many peoples and tribes, both in the pre and post Zoroastrian periods. The last such mix of blood was during the conquest of the area by Alexander the Great. As a state policy to bring the conquered lands totally under the Greek umbrella, his soldiers were asked and encouraged to marry among the conquered people. Alexander too married a Persian princess. Just look at the very Grecian Parsi noses!

    There is also nothing, absolutely nothing in Zoroaster’s teachings that prohibits any person from becoming a Zarathusty. Even the Parsi, after all, were not born Zarthustis. They embraced the teachings of  Zarathustra, and hence became Zartuhustis.

    The reason for the isolationist practice by the Parsi in India, is based not on any religious foundation at all, but on the undertaking given to the King Jadav of Sanjan, being one of the conditions set for the Iranian Zoroastrians refugees, later called Parsi, it being that the new settlers would not undertake to convert the local people into their, the refugee’s Faith. 

    That, and only that, is the basis for not allowing converts in India and elsewhere into the Zoroastrian Faith, whereever the Parsi have settled. Any religion based arguments against conversion of non-Parsis is the ethnic-egocentrism, perpetuated by the Parsi ‘mullahs.’

    What an insult the Parsis offer to a nation that gave them refuge by placing signs like ‘Fakt Parsi vaste,’ For Paris Only,or as Firoze has pointed out,   “Entry only for Parsi Zoroastrians.”

    If the Parsis practice isolation even among their fellow Zoroastrian as per the above mentioned sign, I fear their chances of survival are less and lress.

    Kersi Rustomji.
    Australia.

  • Kersi Rustomji

    Dear Mr. Irani,
    if Iranians can be allowed to be converted to the Zoroastriand Faith, why not the others too. Can you please show me where Zarathushtra has indicated such discriminatory and selective injuction. He spread His word across the lenght and breath of the then known Persian and other empires, without such selection as you state.
    So, why be so selective now?
    Kersi Rustomji.

  • Kersi Rustomji

    Dear Mr. Irani,
    if Iranians can be allowed to be converted to the Zoroastriand Faith, why not the others too. Can you please show me where Zarathushtra has indicated such discriminatory and selective injuction. He spread His word across the lenght and breath of the then known Persian and other empires, without such selection as you state.
    So, why be so selective now?
    Kersi Rustomji.

  • Kersi Rustomji

    Dear Mr. Irani,
    if Iranians can be allowed to be converted to the Zoroastriand Faith, why not the others too. Can you please show me where Zarathushtra has indicated such discriminatory and selective injuction. He spread His word across the lenght and breath of the then known Persian and other empires, without such selection as you state.
    So, why be so selective now?
    Kersi Rustomji.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    So yet ANOTHER article on what everybody already knows – the Parsi population in South Asia is declining and declining fast.  But whose fault is that?
     
    Our community in India is fast going the way of the dinosaur. This is due nearly entirely to the racist, superficial, outlandish policies of the BPP and the insistence that NO nonParsee spouses be accepted into the religion, that NO children of such marriages be accepted as well, and that in nearly all instances, those, especially women that marry outside become OUTCASTS as well.  If this is not Nazism I don’t know what is.
     
    How stupid.  How hair-brained.  How racist and how gheloo ghadoo.   
     
    It is true that many Parsis have immigrated to other nations.  Yet, in the other nations such as USA and Canada and Singapore, they are more welcoming to others.  Yet in India the community still things falsely that being a “purebred” is something to be proud of. 
     
    Deekras, if your so-called racial purity is what you are so proud of, that does not say much about your or your community.   Not that we are racially pure.  We are totally mixed with the Asian/South Asian races.   So it is interesting to hear other Parsis talk about us being “Persian” as if we just got off the boat.
     
     To the Parsis in Mumbai:  Do you want to know what the community will look like in 15 years?  Just make a trip to Karachi!  That is what it will look like.  Even now going to the agiaries in Mumbai is like making a trip to a senior citizen center.
     
    Either we change or become extinct.  Intermarriage is becoming the norm.  Either we accept the others or die out. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    So yet ANOTHER article on what everybody already knows – the Parsi population in South Asia is declining and declining fast.  But whose fault is that?
     
    Our community in India is fast going the way of the dinosaur. This is due nearly entirely to the racist, superficial, outlandish policies of the BPP and the insistence that NO nonParsee spouses be accepted into the religion, that NO children of such marriages be accepted as well, and that in nearly all instances, those, especially women that marry outside become OUTCASTS as well.  If this is not Nazism I don’t know what is.
     
    How stupid.  How hair-brained.  How racist and how gheloo ghadoo.   
     
    It is true that many Parsis have immigrated to other nations.  Yet, in the other nations such as USA and Canada and Singapore, they are more welcoming to others.  Yet in India the community still things falsely that being a “purebred” is something to be proud of. 
     
    Deekras, if your so-called racial purity is what you are so proud of, that does not say much about your or your community.   Not that we are racially pure.  We are totally mixed with the Asian/South Asian races.   So it is interesting to hear other Parsis talk about us being “Persian” as if we just got off the boat.
     
     To the Parsis in Mumbai:  Do you want to know what the community will look like in 15 years?  Just make a trip to Karachi!  That is what it will look like.  Even now going to the agiaries in Mumbai is like making a trip to a senior citizen center.
     
    Either we change or become extinct.  Intermarriage is becoming the norm.  Either we accept the others or die out. 

  • Rashna

    If  somebody thinks that  Trustees of Trusts like B.P.P. have welfare of Parsees at heart, that person must be the biggest imbecile existing. They are waiting for the Community to become extinct so that flats will fall vacant, buildings will be redeveloped, Doongerwadi lands can be sold and the progeny of Trustees can provide for next four generations of their respective families.These Trustees have great foresight in contrast to myopic minority of Parsees who put on the Cap of orthodoxy and traditions till such time their own kith and kin brings a non Zoroastrian spouse.

  • Rashna

    If  somebody thinks that  Trustees of Trusts like B.P.P. have welfare of Parsees at heart, that person must be the biggest imbecile existing. They are waiting for the Community to become extinct so that flats will fall vacant, buildings will be redeveloped, Doongerwadi lands can be sold and the progeny of Trustees can provide for next four generations of their respective families.These Trustees have great foresight in contrast to myopic minority of Parsees who put on the Cap of orthodoxy and traditions till such time their own kith and kin brings a non Zoroastrian spouse.

  • khushroo

    greetings to fellow zarthustis: i being in late 60 in age, i was always thirsting for the jist of the prayers-
    even now, i have been emphatically told,that one still has to say the prayers in the original language-phalvi, or what not.  if i do not know what i am addressing to Ahura Mazda, i would be just repeating words which do not
    touch  my soul. 
    can we -easpecially the BPP or the Mobeds, decide that the Kusti prayers can be prayed in english, and the ritual of tying the Kusti go along with it.
    also attending Jasans, where the Mobeds put their heart and soul in the ceremonies, it would be nic if they (mobeds) gave the jist of the jasan prayers! 
    also why do zarthustis  say prayers in a language which they do not understand?  look at the example of the Christian faith where the Bible was translated into diiferent languages, also the Masses (of church) are said in
    a language the laity understand.  also admission to their places of worship do not exclude  non-christians.
    EVERY RELIGION  SHOULD UNITE HUMANITY , NOT DIVIDE THEM.
    we are all children of the same Almighty God, no matter what name we address God.
    as far as dwindling number of zarthustis, it is not the number we should be hung up on discussing.
    let us first know ONESELF AS TO WHAT IS ZOROASTRIANISM  – how can it make me a better human being,
    a loving caring person for all irrespective of race and colour. A PERSON WHO IS RELIGIOUS MAY NOT BE SPRITUAL,  BUT A PERSON WHO IS SPRITUAL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE RELGIOUS ( THOUGH A RELGION IS A ADDED BONUS).
    PLEASE COMMENT ON MY thoughts, for life is so precious and one can share their spirtual insights with agape love.  amen  khushroo f vatcha -montreal

  • khushroo

    greetings to fellow zarthustis: i being in late 60 in age, i was always thirsting for the jist of the prayers-
    even now, i have been emphatically told,that one still has to say the prayers in the original language-phalvi, or what not.  if i do not know what i am addressing to Ahura Mazda, i would be just repeating words which do not
    touch  my soul. 
    can we -easpecially the BPP or the Mobeds, decide that the Kusti prayers can be prayed in english, and the ritual of tying the Kusti go along with it.
    also attending Jasans, where the Mobeds put their heart and soul in the ceremonies, it would be nic if they (mobeds) gave the jist of the jasan prayers! 
    also why do zarthustis  say prayers in a language which they do not understand?  look at the example of the Christian faith where the Bible was translated into diiferent languages, also the Masses (of church) are said in
    a language the laity understand.  also admission to their places of worship do not exclude  non-christians.
    EVERY RELIGION  SHOULD UNITE HUMANITY , NOT DIVIDE THEM.
    we are all children of the same Almighty God, no matter what name we address God.
    as far as dwindling number of zarthustis, it is not the number we should be hung up on discussing.
    let us first know ONESELF AS TO WHAT IS ZOROASTRIANISM  – how can it make me a better human being,
    a loving caring person for all irrespective of race and colour. A PERSON WHO IS RELIGIOUS MAY NOT BE SPRITUAL,  BUT A PERSON WHO IS SPRITUAL DOES NOT HAVE TO BE RELGIOUS ( THOUGH A RELGION IS A ADDED BONUS).
    PLEASE COMMENT ON MY thoughts, for life is so precious and one can share their spirtual insights with agape love.  amen  khushroo f vatcha -montreal

  • phiroze

    We can start with Madon and Mirza.

  • phiroze

    We can start with Madon and Mirza.

  • phiroze

    We can start by sending Mirza and Madon to Iran.

  • phiroze

    We can start by sending Mirza and Madon to Iran.

  • Behroze

    phiroze. At least for once make an effort to talk something sensible. How can ‘renegades’ convince Iroons about Boonak Pasbani. Only Mullah. Kotval, Mullah K.Navroze and Mullah Jamas are right choices If they are not ready then Asst Mullahs  Karanjia or Dadachanji can convince Irons.

  • Behroze

    phiroze. At least for once make an effort to talk something sensible. How can ‘renegades’ convince Iroons about Boonak Pasbani. Only Mullah. Kotval, Mullah K.Navroze and Mullah Jamas are right choices If they are not ready then Asst Mullahs  Karanjia or Dadachanji can convince Irons.

  • Er.Adarbahman

    When was the last time this person phiroze talked anything sensible?

  • Er.Adarbahman

    When was the last time this person phiroze talked anything sensible?

  • Siloo Kapadia

    I agree completely!  The whole situation is nonsesnse. The community is dying out and the BPP want to do nothing but act holier than thou. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    I agree completely!  The whole situation is nonsesnse. The community is dying out and the BPP want to do nothing but act holier than thou. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Deekra you are right, but you forget that the well being of the community is NOT the foremost thought on the minds of the BPP (AKA the melah mojah clique).  Also the idea that religion is meant to bring one closer to God is oblivious to them.  They are only interested in their money and their racist rants that Parsis are pure-bred in one way or another when we all know that this is false. 

    It is a damn shame that Parsis need to leave South Asia in order to be able to exlpore their own religion without the interference of the BPP, to be able to marry who they want, and to be able to bring their nonParsi spouse into the community.  Also, the viciousness with which children of so-called religious intermarriages are treated in Mumbai and elsewhere by some in the Parsi community is a disgrace.  If the Muslims did this, we would be the first to complain “those dirty Mussulo.”  But when our own community does this, we are silent. 

    Well, I say those dirty racist greedy BPP rubbish should be kicked the hell out of office once and for all.  Look at the courageousness of the people in the Middle East, Burma, and elsewhere as they strive for equality.  Too bad that too many of us are only interested in making our money, food, socializing, and that is all.  Khalas! 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Deekra you are right, but you forget that the well being of the community is NOT the foremost thought on the minds of the BPP (AKA the melah mojah clique).  Also the idea that religion is meant to bring one closer to God is oblivious to them.  They are only interested in their money and their racist rants that Parsis are pure-bred in one way or another when we all know that this is false. 

    It is a damn shame that Parsis need to leave South Asia in order to be able to exlpore their own religion without the interference of the BPP, to be able to marry who they want, and to be able to bring their nonParsi spouse into the community.  Also, the viciousness with which children of so-called religious intermarriages are treated in Mumbai and elsewhere by some in the Parsi community is a disgrace.  If the Muslims did this, we would be the first to complain “those dirty Mussulo.”  But when our own community does this, we are silent. 

    Well, I say those dirty racist greedy BPP rubbish should be kicked the hell out of office once and for all.  Look at the courageousness of the people in the Middle East, Burma, and elsewhere as they strive for equality.  Too bad that too many of us are only interested in making our money, food, socializing, and that is all.  Khalas! 

  • phiroze

    behroze, to me it made sense since these “RENEGADES” have the requisite experience having CONverted many on their sponsered jaunts.  the Iranians and not Iroons (politically correct) can convince mobedans mirza and madon a thing or two about boonak pasbani.

  • phiroze

    behroze, to me it made sense since these “RENEGADES” have the requisite experience having CONverted many on their sponsered jaunts.  the Iranians and not Iroons (politically correct) can convince mobedans mirza and madon a thing or two about boonak pasbani.

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia
    I agree totally with your enthusiasm that we allow conversion of children born to Parsi women who have married outside and married in the traditions and customs of their husbands.  This will solve the problem of decline in numbers immediately.  But how do we address the following:-
    1.  Why should the child follow this religion which his/her mother has forsaken.
    2.  Why should the father belonging  to other religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity, Buddhism etc. allow the child to be converted to Zoroastrainism.
    3.  In what way is our religion so much superior to other religions so that people will enmasse convert to Zoroastrainism.
    4.  Even though we are a tiny minority, having a very small number of persons in the employable age, our industralists nor BPP trustees have not at all taken care of their interest as far as jobs are concerned.
    5.  Only people having significant influence have managed to get good jobs inspite of being professionals eg. Engineers, CAs, CSs, Doctors, MBAs.  Others not having influence are at the mercy of other communities where inspite of their qualifications, they have to settle for low paying jobs.  This shows that the above children will be handicapped once they belong to this secular religion and they will lose the advantage of belonging to a dominant religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity. Buddhism etc.
    6. They will lose reservation / quota system if their father belongs to the reserved category.
    7. How do we avoid social strife, if people from other communities object violently as has happened in case of conversion activities of Muslims and Christains.  In case of riots, how will we protect our Atashbehrams and Agiaries.  Have you made plans for that or is it just day dreaming that somehow we will regain the supremacy enjoyed during the Sassanian period by Zoroastrianism.  In Afghanisathan, converts to Christanity are murdered or tortured to death.  Please read the international news.
    8. How will we be able to convince the family members of the non-Parsi father that this is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism. 
    9. Also, the hereditary positions of Parsi Priests should be abolished and even these children be allowed to practice as Mobed sahibs at Udwada Atashbehram, why should Dasturji Kurshed and his family have this monopoly.
    10. How do we ensure that that these children when they grown up continue to practice Zoroastrainism and not follow the religion of their father.  Just by doing their navjote will not ensure this. 
    11. Will the Indian Government allow conversions, which is a very touchy subject.  It many times leads to violence and riots.  There is a law regarding prevention of conversion by giving economic benefits.  How do you propose to circumvent it.
    12. Conversion is a very tricky issue,  with many pitfalls.

    Only if you and all the pro-reformist have solutions to the above, the community should proceed this path.
    We are not in the Western Countries where conversion is possible but in a highly communally surcharged atmosphere where conversion is a very very sensitive issue.  If conversion was so possible what has stopped the cash rich Arabs from further converting to their brand of religion in India.

    PLEASE THINK VERY CAREFULLY OF THE CONSEQUENCES. ONLY IF YOU CAN GUARANTEE THE ABOVE, WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH CONVERSION.  ZOROASTRAINISM IS A RELIGION LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WHICH IS TO BE FOLLOWED DURING ONES WHOLE LIFE AND NOT A ZOO OR PICTURE HALL WHERE AFTER VISITING THEM ONCE (NAVJOTE) YOU CAN TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT IT.

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia
    I agree totally with your enthusiasm that we allow conversion of children born to Parsi women who have married outside and married in the traditions and customs of their husbands.  This will solve the problem of decline in numbers immediately.  But how do we address the following:-
    1.  Why should the child follow this religion which his/her mother has forsaken.
    2.  Why should the father belonging  to other religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity, Buddhism etc. allow the child to be converted to Zoroastrainism.
    3.  In what way is our religion so much superior to other religions so that people will enmasse convert to Zoroastrainism.
    4.  Even though we are a tiny minority, having a very small number of persons in the employable age, our industralists nor BPP trustees have not at all taken care of their interest as far as jobs are concerned.
    5.  Only people having significant influence have managed to get good jobs inspite of being professionals eg. Engineers, CAs, CSs, Doctors, MBAs.  Others not having influence are at the mercy of other communities where inspite of their qualifications, they have to settle for low paying jobs.  This shows that the above children will be handicapped once they belong to this secular religion and they will lose the advantage of belonging to a dominant religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity. Buddhism etc.
    6. They will lose reservation / quota system if their father belongs to the reserved category.
    7. How do we avoid social strife, if people from other communities object violently as has happened in case of conversion activities of Muslims and Christains.  In case of riots, how will we protect our Atashbehrams and Agiaries.  Have you made plans for that or is it just day dreaming that somehow we will regain the supremacy enjoyed during the Sassanian period by Zoroastrianism.  In Afghanisathan, converts to Christanity are murdered or tortured to death.  Please read the international news.
    8. How will we be able to convince the family members of the non-Parsi father that this is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism. 
    9. Also, the hereditary positions of Parsi Priests should be abolished and even these children be allowed to practice as Mobed sahibs at Udwada Atashbehram, why should Dasturji Kurshed and his family have this monopoly.
    10. How do we ensure that that these children when they grown up continue to practice Zoroastrainism and not follow the religion of their father.  Just by doing their navjote will not ensure this. 
    11. Will the Indian Government allow conversions, which is a very touchy subject.  It many times leads to violence and riots.  There is a law regarding prevention of conversion by giving economic benefits.  How do you propose to circumvent it.
    12. Conversion is a very tricky issue,  with many pitfalls.

    Only if you and all the pro-reformist have solutions to the above, the community should proceed this path.
    We are not in the Western Countries where conversion is possible but in a highly communally surcharged atmosphere where conversion is a very very sensitive issue.  If conversion was so possible what has stopped the cash rich Arabs from further converting to their brand of religion in India.

    PLEASE THINK VERY CAREFULLY OF THE CONSEQUENCES. ONLY IF YOU CAN GUARANTEE THE ABOVE, WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH CONVERSION.  ZOROASTRAINISM IS A RELIGION LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WHICH IS TO BE FOLLOWED DURING ONES WHOLE LIFE AND NOT A ZOO OR PICTURE HALL WHERE AFTER VISITING THEM ONCE (NAVJOTE) YOU CAN TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT IT.

  • Behroze.

    WHO SPONSORS  FOREIGN JAUNTS OF REV(!) Mullah Kotval.? And these days even Asst Mullah Karanjia travels around the globe. Sure Phiroze, you would be knowing their financial sponsors.
    -Behroze Sidhwa

  • Behroze.

    WHO SPONSORS  FOREIGN JAUNTS OF REV(!) Mullah Kotval.? And these days even Asst Mullah Karanjia travels around the globe. Sure Phiroze, you would be knowing their financial sponsors.
    -Behroze Sidhwa

  • Barak Aga

    Ludicrous reasoning. If a Zoroastrian lady marries a non-Zoroastrian, she is deemed to have forsaken her religion. But if a non-Zoroastrian man marries a Zoroastrian lady, he is not deemed to have forsaken his religion. How can the fake orthodox claim that it is the Zoroastrian lady who has forsaken her religion by marrying a non-Zoroastrian. Is it not equally true of her non-Zoroastrian spouse who has forsaken his religion by not marrying a lady from his religion, and marrying a Zoroastrian lady? 

  • Barak Aga

    Ludicrous reasoning. If a Zoroastrian lady marries a non-Zoroastrian, she is deemed to have forsaken her religion. But if a non-Zoroastrian man marries a Zoroastrian lady, he is not deemed to have forsaken his religion. How can the fake orthodox claim that it is the Zoroastrian lady who has forsaken her religion by marrying a non-Zoroastrian. Is it not equally true of her non-Zoroastrian spouse who has forsaken his religion by not marrying a lady from his religion, and marrying a Zoroastrian lady? 

  • phiroze

    I do not know about the recent travels of Dasturji Kotval sponsered or otherwise and as far as Ervad Karanjia it is a purely business (tourism) transaction with nothing to do with our religion perse. As far as the RENEGADES go it is purely a CON(vert) if you must know whereas the above are not into any CON.  

  • phiroze

    I do not know about the recent travels of Dasturji Kotval sponsered or otherwise and as far as Ervad Karanjia it is a purely business (tourism) transaction with nothing to do with our religion perse. As far as the RENEGADES go it is purely a CON(vert) if you must know whereas the above are not into any CON.  

  • phiroze

    I do not know about the recent travels of Dasturji Kotval sponsered or otherwise and as far as Ervad Karanjia it is a purely business (tourism) transaction with nothing to do with our religion perse. As far as the RENEGADES go it is purely a CON(vert) if you must know whereas the above are not into any CON.  

  • phiroze

    Deekree siloo where were you hidding when the elections to the BPP were conducted thrice. Had you and your croonies stood for the election and got elected there would be no need to kick the hell out or look at anyone or anywhere. Too bad you are also one of the many only interested in making money, food and generally having a good time. Ekdum Khalas !!!!!!! 

  • phiroze

    Deekree siloo where were you hidding when the elections to the BPP were conducted thrice. Had you and your croonies stood for the election and got elected there would be no need to kick the hell out or look at anyone or anywhere. Too bad you are also one of the many only interested in making money, food and generally having a good time. Ekdum Khalas !!!!!!! 

  • phiroze

    Khushroo, it is a little too late in the day for you to bother about such things. You could have learnt the original language or what not if you really were as thirsty and parched as you claim to be. Besides if we can understand your real thirst, Ahura Mazda totally understands what you are praying for. So at this age do not bother about the language and just prayer what you can before it is too late.

    YATHA ZAMYAT ATHA AFRINAMI – AS I WISH MAY IT BE SO

    Phiroze – Amchi Mumbai

  • phiroze

    Khushroo, it is a little too late in the day for you to bother about such things. You could have learnt the original language or what not if you really were as thirsty and parched as you claim to be. Besides if we can understand your real thirst, Ahura Mazda totally understands what you are praying for. So at this age do not bother about the language and just prayer what you can before it is too late.

    YATHA ZAMYAT ATHA AFRINAMI – AS I WISH MAY IT BE SO

    Phiroze – Amchi Mumbai

  • phiroze

    If the community becomes extinct, who will be there to sell these off  and for whom? Please check the meaning of the word extinct. besides if you must know there is a looooonnnggg waiting list for charity flats. 

  • phiroze

    If the community becomes extinct, who will be there to sell these off  and for whom? Please check the meaning of the word extinct. besides if you must know there is a looooonnnggg waiting list for charity flats. 

  • phiroze

    Deekree siloo, ask not what the bpp/community can do for you but what you can do for them for a change atleast.

  • phiroze

    Deekree siloo, ask not what the bpp/community can do for you but what you can do for them for a change atleast.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Piloomani, my answers to your questions in italics. 

            1. Why should the child follow this religion which his/her mother has forsaken.
    Why do you say “forsaken?”  Just because they are intermarried does not mean they have forsaken anything.
    2.  Why should the father belonging  to other religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity, Buddhism etc. allow the child to be converted to Zoroastrainism.
    This is not up to the BPP Nazis to decide. This is a question for the family to decide.  
    3.  In what way is our religion so much superior to other religions so that people will enmasse convert to Zoroastrainism.
    No one says that people will convert enmasse.  However telling people that they CAN NOT enter the religion is stupid and against a God that is universal.
    4.  Even though we are a tiny minority, having a very small number of persons in the employable age, our industralists nor BPP trustees have not at all taken care of their interest as far as jobs are concerned.
    That is right but religion is supposed to be a path to God.  Jobs should not be an issue.
    5.  Only people having significant influence have managed to get good jobs inspite of being professionals eg. Engineers, CAs, CSs, Doctors, MBAs.  Others not having influence are at the mercy of other communities where inspite of their qualifications, they have to settle for low paying jobs.  This shows that the above children will be handicapped once they belong to this secular religion and they will lose the advantage of belonging to a dominant religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity. Buddhism etc.
    Again, religion should be a choice of the individual, not any “commission.”  In other words, the BPP should stay out of deciding who can join and who cannot.
    6. They will lose reservation / quota system if their father belongs to the reserved category.
    Again, a matter for the family to decide.
    7. How do we avoid social strife, if people from other communities object violently as has happened in case of conversion activities of Muslims and Christains.  In case of riots, how will we protect our Atashbehrams and Agiaries.  Have you made plans for that or is it just day dreaming that somehow we will regain the supremacy enjoyed during the Sassanian period by Zoroastrianism.  In Afghanisathan, converts to Christanity are murdered or tortured to death.  Please read the international news.
    This question is just a scare tactic.  First of all, I doubt that millions of Muslims are going to head for the agiaries to convert.  Next, a person’s religion be something that the individual decides to follow.  If a couple of Muslims do convert I doubt there will be a riot.
    8. How will we be able to convince the family members of the non-Parsi father that this is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism. 
    Why do we have to convince them of anything?  The family makes the decision.  We are NOT and should NOT be in the business of forced conversions.  However if people genuinely want to enter the religion we should not stop them either.
    9. Also, the hereditary positions of Parsi Priests should be abolished and even these children be allowed to practice as Mobed sahibs at Udwada Atashbehram, why should Dasturji Kurshed and his family have this monopoly.
    I agree 100%.  The whole thing is borrowed from the Hindu caste system.
    10. How do we ensure that that these children when they grown up continue to practice Zoroastrainism and not follow the religion of their father.  Just by doing their navjote will not ensure this. 
    We don’t.  How do we ensure that the so-called purebred Parsi children now do so?  Many Parsis have already converted out.  There is no guarantee for anything.
    11. Will the Indian Government allow conversions, which is a very touchy subject.  It many times leads to violence and riots.  There is a law regarding prevention of conversion by giving economic benefits.  How do you propose to circumvent it.
    But the economic benefits of becoming Parsi are few and far between.  I doubt this will be a problem. We are not paying anyone to join the religion.
    12. Conversion is a very tricky issue,  with many pitfalls.
    Yes, and so is not allowing newcomers into the fold, and allowing the community to sink like a rock in water.  
     
    Also concerning your comment “ZOROASTRAINISM IS A RELIGION LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WHICH IS TO BE FOLLOWED DURING ONES WHOLE LIFE AND NOT A ZOO OR PICTURE HALL WHERE AFTER VISITING THEM ONCE (NAVJOTE) YOU CAN TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT IT.”
     
    You are totally right.  But who said that the newcomers will forget about it?  Who said the purebreds are all still within the fold?  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED IN THIS WORLD.  But one thing is for certain, that if nothing is done the religion is doomed.  Again I urge you, to go Karachi to see what will become of you.
     
     

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Piloomani, my answers to your questions in italics. 

            1. Why should the child follow this religion which his/her mother has forsaken.
    Why do you say “forsaken?”  Just because they are intermarried does not mean they have forsaken anything.
    2.  Why should the father belonging  to other religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity, Buddhism etc. allow the child to be converted to Zoroastrainism.
    This is not up to the BPP Nazis to decide. This is a question for the family to decide.  
    3.  In what way is our religion so much superior to other religions so that people will enmasse convert to Zoroastrainism.
    No one says that people will convert enmasse.  However telling people that they CAN NOT enter the religion is stupid and against a God that is universal.
    4.  Even though we are a tiny minority, having a very small number of persons in the employable age, our industralists nor BPP trustees have not at all taken care of their interest as far as jobs are concerned.
    That is right but religion is supposed to be a path to God.  Jobs should not be an issue.
    5.  Only people having significant influence have managed to get good jobs inspite of being professionals eg. Engineers, CAs, CSs, Doctors, MBAs.  Others not having influence are at the mercy of other communities where inspite of their qualifications, they have to settle for low paying jobs.  This shows that the above children will be handicapped once they belong to this secular religion and they will lose the advantage of belonging to a dominant religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christanity. Buddhism etc.
    Again, religion should be a choice of the individual, not any “commission.”  In other words, the BPP should stay out of deciding who can join and who cannot.
    6. They will lose reservation / quota system if their father belongs to the reserved category.
    Again, a matter for the family to decide.
    7. How do we avoid social strife, if people from other communities object violently as has happened in case of conversion activities of Muslims and Christains.  In case of riots, how will we protect our Atashbehrams and Agiaries.  Have you made plans for that or is it just day dreaming that somehow we will regain the supremacy enjoyed during the Sassanian period by Zoroastrianism.  In Afghanisathan, converts to Christanity are murdered or tortured to death.  Please read the international news.
    This question is just a scare tactic.  First of all, I doubt that millions of Muslims are going to head for the agiaries to convert.  Next, a person’s religion be something that the individual decides to follow.  If a couple of Muslims do convert I doubt there will be a riot.
    8. How will we be able to convince the family members of the non-Parsi father that this is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism. 
    Why do we have to convince them of anything?  The family makes the decision.  We are NOT and should NOT be in the business of forced conversions.  However if people genuinely want to enter the religion we should not stop them either.
    9. Also, the hereditary positions of Parsi Priests should be abolished and even these children be allowed to practice as Mobed sahibs at Udwada Atashbehram, why should Dasturji Kurshed and his family have this monopoly.
    I agree 100%.  The whole thing is borrowed from the Hindu caste system.
    10. How do we ensure that that these children when they grown up continue to practice Zoroastrainism and not follow the religion of their father.  Just by doing their navjote will not ensure this. 
    We don’t.  How do we ensure that the so-called purebred Parsi children now do so?  Many Parsis have already converted out.  There is no guarantee for anything.
    11. Will the Indian Government allow conversions, which is a very touchy subject.  It many times leads to violence and riots.  There is a law regarding prevention of conversion by giving economic benefits.  How do you propose to circumvent it.
    But the economic benefits of becoming Parsi are few and far between.  I doubt this will be a problem. We are not paying anyone to join the religion.
    12. Conversion is a very tricky issue,  with many pitfalls.
    Yes, and so is not allowing newcomers into the fold, and allowing the community to sink like a rock in water.  
     
    Also concerning your comment “ZOROASTRAINISM IS A RELIGION LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WHICH IS TO BE FOLLOWED DURING ONES WHOLE LIFE AND NOT A ZOO OR PICTURE HALL WHERE AFTER VISITING THEM ONCE (NAVJOTE) YOU CAN TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT IT.”
     
    You are totally right.  But who said that the newcomers will forget about it?  Who said the purebreds are all still within the fold?  NOTHING IS GUARANTEED IN THIS WORLD.  But one thing is for certain, that if nothing is done the religion is doomed.  Again I urge you, to go Karachi to see what will become of you.
     
     

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, I was not hiding.  I was busy with my financial situation and we moved to Singapore from USA.  Please do not assume you know anything about us or anything else for that matter. From your comments it is clear you are intent upon seeing the community wither away to hell as long as the BPP henchmen can get to keep their money and their racist ideas of race and purity.  You stupid bhelah manas.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, I was not hiding.  I was busy with my financial situation and we moved to Singapore from USA.  Please do not assume you know anything about us or anything else for that matter. From your comments it is clear you are intent upon seeing the community wither away to hell as long as the BPP henchmen can get to keep their money and their racist ideas of race and purity.  You stupid bhelah manas.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    We can kcik them the hell out of office, that is what we can do. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    We can kcik them the hell out of office, that is what we can do. 

  • Behroze.

    Excellent is the only word I can use. Sillo,. Keep it up. I resisted answering this person simply because I had given her enough to shut her up but since she too is AADAT SE MAJBOOR, I waited for some one else and you did a marvellous job of it, I must say.

  • Behroze.

    Excellent is the only word I can use. Sillo,. Keep it up. I resisted answering this person simply because I had given her enough to shut her up but since she too is AADAT SE MAJBOOR, I waited for some one else and you did a marvellous job of it, I must say.

  • FAITH IN MAANTHRAVAANI

    Our community is NOT going to get wiped out…Shah Behram Varjavand will come….till then immerse yourself in Maanthravaani……

  • FAITH IN MAANTHRAVAANI

    Our community is NOT going to get wiped out…Shah Behram Varjavand will come….till then immerse yourself in Maanthravaani……

  • FAITH IN MAANTHRAVAANI

    Our community is NOT going to get wiped out…Shah Behram Varjavand will come….till then immerse yourself in Maanthravaani……

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Thank you Behroze.  

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Thank you Behroze.  

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze doesn’t have sense. he has counter sense.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze doesn’t have sense. he has counter sense.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Never.  He talks nonsense, and he is good at it!

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Never.  He talks nonsense, and he is good at it!

  • Rashna

    Yes there is a looming list because these beneficiaries want to keep two flats in different buildings and at different locations. Have you ever heard of Demography. If you are such a keen observer of the Community, read the Statistics of Births and deaths  of Parsee/ Irani Zoroastrians each year. in Mumbai, Surat etc. Moreover the major portion of existing Parsee population   in these cities consists of those over 65. There is a waiting list for Home of Elderly in P.G. Hospital complex. After three decades, maximum, flats in BPP Baugs will have to be sold to non Parsees. So stop talking utter rubbish as your blabber only shows your level of ignorance of Parsee affairs.
    Even a school going kid in fifth grade will not deny demographic decline reading 3 to 4 deaths a day and one single birth every alternate day. For those like you who do not read the writing on the wall, even a new pair of spectacles will be of help.

  • Rashna

    Yes there is a looming list because these beneficiaries want to keep two flats in different buildings and at different locations. Have you ever heard of Demography. If you are such a keen observer of the Community, read the Statistics of Births and deaths  of Parsee/ Irani Zoroastrians each year. in Mumbai, Surat etc. Moreover the major portion of existing Parsee population   in these cities consists of those over 65. There is a waiting list for Home of Elderly in P.G. Hospital complex. After three decades, maximum, flats in BPP Baugs will have to be sold to non Parsees. So stop talking utter rubbish as your blabber only shows your level of ignorance of Parsee affairs.
    Even a school going kid in fifth grade will not deny demographic decline reading 3 to 4 deaths a day and one single birth every alternate day. For those like you who do not read the writing on the wall, even a new pair of spectacles will be of help.

  • Magin Freek

    Let me answer them…
    1.  Why should the child follow this religion which his/her mother has forsaken.=>  Because you have the right to choose. To begin with, I don’t get the point of a woman taking up a man’s religion when she marries him. This is absolutely ridiculous. Why does it have to be the women who gets their religion changed and thrown out. Marrying someone who follows another faith and doing it by following a  procedure defined by the other faith (because you don’t allow them to follow Parsi rituals) does not mean that you have forsaken your religion. It’s the social/religious dogma that people have been following. If you enter someone else’s house, doesn’t mean you start living there and give away your house. Now if you say that religion is much more important  and bigger than a house, than it gives you all the more reasons not to follow the dogmas set by idiots. 2.  Why should the father belonging  to other religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christianity, Buddhism etc. allow the child to be converted to Zoroastrainism.=>  Again, it’s a mutual decision of the parents and then the kids. Agreed not every kid will follow Zoroastrainism but why write off those how just might. That’s kinda    pessimistic if you ask me. If you can’t allow people to make a choice, you shouldn’t be coming up with this argument.
    3.  In what way is our religion so much superior to other religions so that people will enmasse convert to Zoroastrainism.=>  Again, choice. You shouldn’t start an argument with a religious superiority in context. Everyone knows what that leads to. Give people choice and let them make their own decision. And mass conversion is stupid. Have faith. After all, that’s what religion’s all about. Right? 4.  Even though we are a tiny minority, having a very small number of persons in the employable age, our industrialists nor BPP     trustees have not at all taken care of their interest as far as jobs are concerned.5.  Only people having significant influence have managed to get good jobs in-spite of being professionals eg. Engineers, CAs, CSs, Doctors, MBAs.       Others not having influence are at the mercy of other communities where in-spite of their qualifications, they have to settle for low paying jobs.      This shows that the above children will be handicapped once they belong to this secular religion and they will lose the     advantage of belonging to a dominant religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christianity. Buddhism etc.=> Replying to point# 4&5. =>  Don’t you think there are enough government plans and operations for the unemployed people. People should get jobs on the basis of their qualification and competency.    You can’t make everyone walk. People get jobs if they deserve it. It’s the same from all the religions. I personally haven’t seen anyone not giving a job to someone on the basis of their religion. If that is what you are expecting out of the Parsis, that’s plain racist. Also I’d rather have dependable people, who got the job on     their own due to their capability and not the contacts or favors, working for and with me. If you fail at your job, your religion will not matter. Be competent enough. 6. They will lose reservation / quota system if their father belongs to the reserved category.=> Good. That’s a start. Eventually will help (in a small way) to kick away the evil. You can’t possibly be supporting reservations. This point seems a desperate attempt to put   a reason against the concept. C’mon, you and I both know this doesn’t even amount to crap.   7. How do we avoid social strife, if people from other communities object violently as has happened in case of conversion activities    of Muslims and Christians.  In case of riots, how will we protect our Atashbehrams and Agiaries.  Have you made plans for that or is it    just day dreaming that somehow we will regain the supremacy enjoyed during the Sassanian period by Zoroastrianism.  In Afghanistan,    converts to Christianity are murdered or tortured to death.  Please read the international news.=> Religious fights have never done good to anyone, but only people looking to serve their own agendas. First, if you are living in Afghanistan and trying to    say that the situations there can be replicated here, then you are sadly mistaken. Different lands, different worlds. Though we have had out share of problems   but why build a wall. You want to protect your place of worship. Why not protect all the places and people. Why not let this fight not start in the first place.   That wouldn’t be a difficult situation to deal with. I think atheists are more loved than fanatics. And if you still want to protect, unite in times of despair. That’s all.    8. How will we be able to convince the family members of the non-Parsi father that this is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism.  => “This is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism”…!! O_o  Now you are saying that Parsis are the most superior beings who belong to the ONLY RIGHT RELIGION.    Did someone tell you that Zoroastrianism is not right? How can you even make this ridiculous argument. That’s passive mind wash if you ask me; and a little too arrogant too.   9. Also, the hereditary positions of Parsi Priests should be abolished and even these children be allowed to practice as Mobed sahibs at Udwada Atashbehram,    why should Dasturji Kurshed and his family have this monopoly. => Totally with you there. We do need logical, broad minded and practical people, who do not succumb to foolish dogmas, to teach us religion.
    10. How do we ensure that that these children when they grown up continue to practice Zoroastrainism and not follow the religion of their father.     Just by doing their navjote will not ensure this.  => You don’t because you can’t. All you can do is to tell them how amazing Zoroastrianism is and then let them decide on their own. Having assumed that you will do that with being   an arrogant ass like you wanted to be in point# 9. Religion is not about being the best. You want to do that, invent something or take part in a race or play chess or something.   Religion is not a ground for your baseless competitions. 11. Will the Indian Government allow conversions, which is a very touchy subject.  It many times leads to violence and riots.      There is a law regarding prevention of conversion by giving economic benefits.  How do you propose to circumvent it.=>  As long as it’s not forceful. We have the freedom of religion. The conversion is more socio-low than government law. Usually government is against mass conversion. They question     for the motives and monitoring the material conditions of converts. Individual conversion is not too much of a problem, given it’s done willfully and genuinely.
    12. Conversion is a very tricky issue,  with many pitfalls. => It is because we make it out to be. If one willingly wants to profess his/her inclination and desire to practice another religion, I say by all means. Nothing’s greater than   love.    You can find issues with everything. It’s only wise to appreciate the change for good. Nobody wants problems. Only if we strive together to be together.

  • Magin Freek

    Let me answer them…
    1.  Why should the child follow this religion which his/her mother has forsaken.=>  Because you have the right to choose. To begin with, I don’t get the point of a woman taking up a man’s religion when she marries him. This is absolutely ridiculous. Why does it have to be the women who gets their religion changed and thrown out. Marrying someone who follows another faith and doing it by following a  procedure defined by the other faith (because you don’t allow them to follow Parsi rituals) does not mean that you have forsaken your religion. It’s the social/religious dogma that people have been following. If you enter someone else’s house, doesn’t mean you start living there and give away your house. Now if you say that religion is much more important  and bigger than a house, than it gives you all the more reasons not to follow the dogmas set by idiots. 2.  Why should the father belonging  to other religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christianity, Buddhism etc. allow the child to be converted to Zoroastrainism.=>  Again, it’s a mutual decision of the parents and then the kids. Agreed not every kid will follow Zoroastrainism but why write off those how just might. That’s kinda    pessimistic if you ask me. If you can’t allow people to make a choice, you shouldn’t be coming up with this argument.
    3.  In what way is our religion so much superior to other religions so that people will enmasse convert to Zoroastrainism.=>  Again, choice. You shouldn’t start an argument with a religious superiority in context. Everyone knows what that leads to. Give people choice and let them make their own decision. And mass conversion is stupid. Have faith. After all, that’s what religion’s all about. Right? 4.  Even though we are a tiny minority, having a very small number of persons in the employable age, our industrialists nor BPP     trustees have not at all taken care of their interest as far as jobs are concerned.5.  Only people having significant influence have managed to get good jobs in-spite of being professionals eg. Engineers, CAs, CSs, Doctors, MBAs.       Others not having influence are at the mercy of other communities where in-spite of their qualifications, they have to settle for low paying jobs.      This shows that the above children will be handicapped once they belong to this secular religion and they will lose the     advantage of belonging to a dominant religion viz. Hinduism, Muslim, Christianity. Buddhism etc.=> Replying to point# 4&5. =>  Don’t you think there are enough government plans and operations for the unemployed people. People should get jobs on the basis of their qualification and competency.    You can’t make everyone walk. People get jobs if they deserve it. It’s the same from all the religions. I personally haven’t seen anyone not giving a job to someone on the basis of their religion. If that is what you are expecting out of the Parsis, that’s plain racist. Also I’d rather have dependable people, who got the job on     their own due to their capability and not the contacts or favors, working for and with me. If you fail at your job, your religion will not matter. Be competent enough. 6. They will lose reservation / quota system if their father belongs to the reserved category.=> Good. That’s a start. Eventually will help (in a small way) to kick away the evil. You can’t possibly be supporting reservations. This point seems a desperate attempt to put   a reason against the concept. C’mon, you and I both know this doesn’t even amount to crap.   7. How do we avoid social strife, if people from other communities object violently as has happened in case of conversion activities    of Muslims and Christians.  In case of riots, how will we protect our Atashbehrams and Agiaries.  Have you made plans for that or is it    just day dreaming that somehow we will regain the supremacy enjoyed during the Sassanian period by Zoroastrianism.  In Afghanistan,    converts to Christianity are murdered or tortured to death.  Please read the international news.=> Religious fights have never done good to anyone, but only people looking to serve their own agendas. First, if you are living in Afghanistan and trying to    say that the situations there can be replicated here, then you are sadly mistaken. Different lands, different worlds. Though we have had out share of problems   but why build a wall. You want to protect your place of worship. Why not protect all the places and people. Why not let this fight not start in the first place.   That wouldn’t be a difficult situation to deal with. I think atheists are more loved than fanatics. And if you still want to protect, unite in times of despair. That’s all.    8. How will we be able to convince the family members of the non-Parsi father that this is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism.  => “This is the only correct religion i.e. Zoroastrianism”…!! O_o  Now you are saying that Parsis are the most superior beings who belong to the ONLY RIGHT RELIGION.    Did someone tell you that Zoroastrianism is not right? How can you even make this ridiculous argument. That’s passive mind wash if you ask me; and a little too arrogant too.   9. Also, the hereditary positions of Parsi Priests should be abolished and even these children be allowed to practice as Mobed sahibs at Udwada Atashbehram,    why should Dasturji Kurshed and his family have this monopoly. => Totally with you there. We do need logical, broad minded and practical people, who do not succumb to foolish dogmas, to teach us religion.
    10. How do we ensure that that these children when they grown up continue to practice Zoroastrainism and not follow the religion of their father.     Just by doing their navjote will not ensure this.  => You don’t because you can’t. All you can do is to tell them how amazing Zoroastrianism is and then let them decide on their own. Having assumed that you will do that with being   an arrogant ass like you wanted to be in point# 9. Religion is not about being the best. You want to do that, invent something or take part in a race or play chess or something.   Religion is not a ground for your baseless competitions. 11. Will the Indian Government allow conversions, which is a very touchy subject.  It many times leads to violence and riots.      There is a law regarding prevention of conversion by giving economic benefits.  How do you propose to circumvent it.=>  As long as it’s not forceful. We have the freedom of religion. The conversion is more socio-low than government law. Usually government is against mass conversion. They question     for the motives and monitoring the material conditions of converts. Individual conversion is not too much of a problem, given it’s done willfully and genuinely.
    12. Conversion is a very tricky issue,  with many pitfalls. => It is because we make it out to be. If one willingly wants to profess his/her inclination and desire to practice another religion, I say by all means. Nothing’s greater than   love.    You can find issues with everything. It’s only wise to appreciate the change for good. Nobody wants problems. Only if we strive together to be together.

  • Contradhongi

    I agree with piloomani if she advocates that women embrace the faith of their husbands. That way many  non Parsee females married to Parsees will be able to partake in Jashans, etc as well as enter Fire Temples and attend all ceremonies like Uthamna , Sarosh Patru etc. That certainly will be a welcome move given the essence of judgement in Goolruk Gupta’s case.Now dare not any priest debar entry of non Parsee women married to Parsees  as it c could be stretched as going against the Court’s verdict

  • Contradhongi

    I agree with piloomani if she advocates that women embrace the faith of their husbands. That way many  non Parsee females married to Parsees will be able to partake in Jashans, etc as well as enter Fire Temples and attend all ceremonies like Uthamna , Sarosh Patru etc. That certainly will be a welcome move given the essence of judgement in Goolruk Gupta’s case.Now dare not any priest debar entry of non Parsee women married to Parsees  as it c could be stretched as going against the Court’s verdict

  • Er.Adarbahman

    @ Phiroze, Who CON verted many pall bearers at Doongerwadi? Or is it that “PARJAATS” have been provided  Kasti Sadra by sympathizers like you so that Parseeism does not end.
    Give a straight answer and do not divert the topic for if you do, it will be construed that you too are aware that MOST pall bearers are not Parse/Irani Zoros.

  • Er.Adarbahman

    @ Phiroze, Who CON verted many pall bearers at Doongerwadi? Or is it that “PARJAATS” have been provided  Kasti Sadra by sympathizers like you so that Parseeism does not end.
    Give a straight answer and do not divert the topic for if you do, it will be construed that you too are aware that MOST pall bearers are not Parse/Irani Zoros.

  • Piloomani

     Barak Aga, Magin Freek, Behroze.

    If a Parsi lady marries in a Civil Court i.e. Civil Marraige she definitely continues to be a Parsi Zoroastrain.  She is definitely entitled to visit all our religious places and ceremonies.  Also on her death she should be entitled to Parsi funeral ceremonies. Unless she willing converts to her husbands religion as per the normal practise.

    If a Parsi lady marries in a Church, Mandir, Masjid etc., she is automatically deemed to have changed her religion to that of her husbands as only two Muslims can get married in a Masjid.  The same is for other religions.  Please get your facts clear.  As an after thought she cannot claim to be still a Parsi Zoroastrain for some other malifide intentions.

    Even todate children of Behedin or Athornan families (ostas)  have not been allowed to become navar, martabs by people like Dasturji Kurshed of Udwada.  Why is he not starting the reform movement from Udwada itself.  Instead of pretending to be a reformist.

  • Piloomani

     Barak Aga, Magin Freek, Behroze.

    If a Parsi lady marries in a Civil Court i.e. Civil Marraige she definitely continues to be a Parsi Zoroastrain.  She is definitely entitled to visit all our religious places and ceremonies.  Also on her death she should be entitled to Parsi funeral ceremonies. Unless she willing converts to her husbands religion as per the normal practise.

    If a Parsi lady marries in a Church, Mandir, Masjid etc., she is automatically deemed to have changed her religion to that of her husbands as only two Muslims can get married in a Masjid.  The same is for other religions.  Please get your facts clear.  As an after thought she cannot claim to be still a Parsi Zoroastrain for some other malifide intentions.

    Even todate children of Behedin or Athornan families (ostas)  have not been allowed to become navar, martabs by people like Dasturji Kurshed of Udwada.  Why is he not starting the reform movement from Udwada itself.  Instead of pretending to be a reformist.

  • Shaimak.

     I too have faith in Mathravani  but am not superstitious to put extra A’s. and make it  mAAthrevAAni..
    One simple question, where in Gathas or Vandidad or Aveata arrival of Shah Behram is mentioned?
    Arising from this question, please specify the century in which He will arrive for asking the year or decade may make it difficult and very compromising for you.

  • Shaimak.

     I too have faith in Mathravani  but am not superstitious to put extra A’s. and make it  mAAthrevAAni..
    One simple question, where in Gathas or Vandidad or Aveata arrival of Shah Behram is mentioned?
    Arising from this question, please specify the century in which He will arrive for asking the year or decade may make it difficult and very compromising for you.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    You see Piloomani deekree, that is why conversion is also important as well as equality of the sexes.  Stop believing in the gupsup that the BPP elders keep telling you.  They have their own agendas for keeping the status quo.  It is also interesting that the very rich Parsi women who marry others are NOT barred from the agiaries. In fact, even their newly “converted” husbands go to pray and no one sees them or WANTS TO SEE THEM.  This is because if they do stop them then the massive contributions they make (as in paisa) will also stop.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    You see Piloomani deekree, that is why conversion is also important as well as equality of the sexes.  Stop believing in the gupsup that the BPP elders keep telling you.  They have their own agendas for keeping the status quo.  It is also interesting that the very rich Parsi women who marry others are NOT barred from the agiaries. In fact, even their newly “converted” husbands go to pray and no one sees them or WANTS TO SEE THEM.  This is because if they do stop them then the massive contributions they make (as in paisa) will also stop.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    But why must women embrace the faith of their husbands?  In other words women are barinless, soulless playthings to be manipulated by their husbands at will.  So how is this different from the Taliban way of thinking?  Why can religion be determined by the individual and let those who want to embrace the relgion embrace it, REGARDLESS OF GENDER, RACE, NATIONALITY OR EVEN SEXUAL ORIENTATION?

  • Siloo Kapadia

    But why must women embrace the faith of their husbands?  In other words women are barinless, soulless playthings to be manipulated by their husbands at will.  So how is this different from the Taliban way of thinking?  Why can religion be determined by the individual and let those who want to embrace the relgion embrace it, REGARDLESS OF GENDER, RACE, NATIONALITY OR EVEN SEXUAL ORIENTATION?

  • Siloo Kapadia

    So many different debates. All well and good but please everybody understand this. THE COMMUNITY IS DYING.  IT IS WITHERING AWAY.  Debates about whether to allow the children of intermarried couples into the fold, of whether to allow conversions, etc. is akin to the captain of the Titanic debating whether to allow economy class passengers to dine with the first class passengers while the ship is sinking.  Not much good when there will be no ship in the very near future. 

    Just think of it, 50 years is not such a long time.  Not at all.  But 50 years from now most of us reading these posts will not be on this earth.  In fact, as things stand 50 years from now the community in South Asia will be more or less a memory.  In Pakistan it will be an absolute memory. In India it will be nearly all gone.  And the saddest thing is that while there was a way to preserve it, nobody did anything.  Shame.  Damned shame.

    By the way, are the statistics of the Parsi population in India accurate? Do they accurately not count the Parsis that have converted to other religions?  I have a feeling that many who have left are still counted.  In fact the numbers may be lower than are depicted.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    So many different debates. All well and good but please everybody understand this. THE COMMUNITY IS DYING.  IT IS WITHERING AWAY.  Debates about whether to allow the children of intermarried couples into the fold, of whether to allow conversions, etc. is akin to the captain of the Titanic debating whether to allow economy class passengers to dine with the first class passengers while the ship is sinking.  Not much good when there will be no ship in the very near future. 

    Just think of it, 50 years is not such a long time.  Not at all.  But 50 years from now most of us reading these posts will not be on this earth.  In fact, as things stand 50 years from now the community in South Asia will be more or less a memory.  In Pakistan it will be an absolute memory. In India it will be nearly all gone.  And the saddest thing is that while there was a way to preserve it, nobody did anything.  Shame.  Damned shame.

    By the way, are the statistics of the Parsi population in India accurate? Do they accurately not count the Parsis that have converted to other religions?  I have a feeling that many who have left are still counted.  In fact the numbers may be lower than are depicted.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    So many different debates. All well and good but please everybody understand this. THE COMMUNITY IS DYING.  IT IS WITHERING AWAY.  Debates about whether to allow the children of intermarried couples into the fold, of whether to allow conversions, etc. is akin to the captain of the Titanic debating whether to allow economy class passengers to dine with the first class passengers while the ship is sinking.  Not much good when there will be no ship in the very near future. 

    Just think of it, 50 years is not such a long time.  Not at all.  But 50 years from now most of us reading these posts will not be on this earth.  In fact, as things stand 50 years from now the community in South Asia will be more or less a memory.  In Pakistan it will be an absolute memory. In India it will be nearly all gone.  And the saddest thing is that while there was a way to preserve it, nobody did anything.  Shame.  Damned shame.

    By the way, are the statistics of the Parsi population in India accurate? Do they accurately not count the Parsis that have converted to other religions?  I have a feeling that many who have left are still counted.  In fact the numbers may be lower than are depicted.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    By the way, you said that churches and masjids will not marry spouses of different religions. You are wrong.  That totally depends upon the church. I have been to weddings where one spouse was Christian and the other not.  As for masjids, the man must be Muslim but the woman need not be. So depending upon the masjid they will perform the ceremony if the women is not a Muslim.  Once again, equality of the sexes should be upheld but it is not. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    By the way, you said that churches and masjids will not marry spouses of different religions. You are wrong.  That totally depends upon the church. I have been to weddings where one spouse was Christian and the other not.  As for masjids, the man must be Muslim but the woman need not be. So depending upon the masjid they will perform the ceremony if the women is not a Muslim.  Once again, equality of the sexes should be upheld but it is not. 

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia

    Your statement that non-Parsi husbands make massive contributions /donations is totally wrong they only go agiaries to make a show.  The want to control the Trusts funds for their personal purposes where they are helped by the kith, kin and Trustess of the Trust to circumvent the trust deeds, sell the lands in underhand dealings.  They attend agiaries just to accompany their wives in order to please them.  All because the Parsi lady belongs to a very powerful family.  Basically the main contributions to our funds / trusts were only made more than 100 years ago.  If you see the records except the land values most of the trust funds are in red.  For many Parsi married outside and their husbands the Parsi Trusts are cash cows as there is no one to stop them.
    Whether you convert as per your comments or not.  Zoroastrianism will be extinct.  May be some perverted sects might come up later and may be last for 5 to 10 years.

    What equality of sexes are talking about and  in which country.  Female infanticide is being widely carried in most of the states of India, as the people belonging to the majority religion and its offshoots/branches believes in the vansh theory.  Due to this the ratio of male to female is unofficially down to 1000:700.  According to BBC 20 millions baby girls have been killed due to this in India.  When this uncivilised community do not get proper girls for their young men they go shopping and marry girls from submissive communities like ours. 

     Zoroastrainism has failed as a religion for the past 1381 years and has directly failed the Parsis. That is a very very long time to be FAILING. 
    Zoroastrains have suffered very greatly during the period of Muslim Invaders and also during the time of Mongols, corores of people were murdered, tortured, raped, sodomised, taken as slaves.  WHERE IS THE RELIGION OF AHURAMAZDA.  Why did he not protect these innocent people.   Let the religion take its natural path to extinction, why create artificial temporary remedies.

  • Piloomani

    Siloo Kapadia

    Your statement that non-Parsi husbands make massive contributions /donations is totally wrong they only go agiaries to make a show.  The want to control the Trusts funds for their personal purposes where they are helped by the kith, kin and Trustess of the Trust to circumvent the trust deeds, sell the lands in underhand dealings.  They attend agiaries just to accompany their wives in order to please them.  All because the Parsi lady belongs to a very powerful family.  Basically the main contributions to our funds / trusts were only made more than 100 years ago.  If you see the records except the land values most of the trust funds are in red.  For many Parsi married outside and their husbands the Parsi Trusts are cash cows as there is no one to stop them.
    Whether you convert as per your comments or not.  Zoroastrianism will be extinct.  May be some perverted sects might come up later and may be last for 5 to 10 years.

    What equality of sexes are talking about and  in which country.  Female infanticide is being widely carried in most of the states of India, as the people belonging to the majority religion and its offshoots/branches believes in the vansh theory.  Due to this the ratio of male to female is unofficially down to 1000:700.  According to BBC 20 millions baby girls have been killed due to this in India.  When this uncivilised community do not get proper girls for their young men they go shopping and marry girls from submissive communities like ours. 

     Zoroastrainism has failed as a religion for the past 1381 years and has directly failed the Parsis. That is a very very long time to be FAILING. 
    Zoroastrains have suffered very greatly during the period of Muslim Invaders and also during the time of Mongols, corores of people were murdered, tortured, raped, sodomised, taken as slaves.  WHERE IS THE RELIGION OF AHURAMAZDA.  Why did he not protect these innocent people.   Let the religion take its natural path to extinction, why create artificial temporary remedies.

  • xyz

    It’s useless depending upon  BPP Trustees for religious matters. Majority of the trustees children have married non-parsees. It’s all a Hogwash – just fooling people. Courts cannot decide on these matters. It is religious so called scholars have to apply their brains and find a better solution to this problem. Regarding arrival of Shah Behram Varzavand,  his birthday was on ava mahino-govad roz i.e. 6th february, 2012. He is definetely going to come out in the real world very soon.  Only then Parsi Zoroastrian Religion will Prosper to its Zenith. All Reformists will definetely have a Huge setback. Just wait and watch. Time will show everyone the true colours of Zoroastrianism. God Bless You.

  • xyz

    It’s useless depending upon  BPP Trustees for religious matters. Majority of the trustees children have married non-parsees. It’s all a Hogwash – just fooling people. Courts cannot decide on these matters. It is religious so called scholars have to apply their brains and find a better solution to this problem. Regarding arrival of Shah Behram Varzavand,  his birthday was on ava mahino-govad roz i.e. 6th february, 2012. He is definetely going to come out in the real world very soon.  Only then Parsi Zoroastrian Religion will Prosper to its Zenith. All Reformists will definetely have a Huge setback. Just wait and watch. Time will show everyone the true colours of Zoroastrianism. God Bless You.

  • Rustomjee

    What is required is not new buildings for youngsters but better old age homes for upper middle class Parsees to induce them to vacate existing  large BPP flats so that youngsters can be allotted the same. 
    Myopics like phiroz cannot understand such things as it is beyond his capacity.

  • Rustomjee

    What is required is not new buildings for youngsters but better old age homes for upper middle class Parsees to induce them to vacate existing  large BPP flats so that youngsters can be allotted the same. 
    Myopics like phiroz cannot understand such things as it is beyond his capacity.

  • Rashna.

    XYZ, Can you specify the decade if not the year and month of arrival of Shah Varzavand and also inform why he  id delaying his arrival?
    Thank you.

  • Rashna.

    XYZ, Can you specify the decade if not the year and month of arrival of Shah Varzavand and also inform why he  id delaying his arrival?
    Thank you.

  • Barak Aga

    Dear Miss Piloomani, son of former Maharashtra Chief Minister, Vilasrao Deshmukh, Riteish Deshmukh and Genelia D’Souza were married in a traditional Maharashtrian ceremony at a city hotel followed by a church wedding the next day. Did Genelia D’Souza abandon Christianity, or did Ritiesh Deshmukh abandon Hinduism? Did Genelia D’Souza undergo an ethnic transformation and become an Indian from a European, or did Ritiesh Deshmukh mutate from an Indian in to a European?

  • Barak Aga

    Dear Miss Piloomani, son of former Maharashtra Chief Minister, Vilasrao Deshmukh, Riteish Deshmukh and Genelia D’Souza were married in a traditional Maharashtrian ceremony at a city hotel followed by a church wedding the next day. Did Genelia D’Souza abandon Christianity, or did Ritiesh Deshmukh abandon Hinduism? Did Genelia D’Souza undergo an ethnic transformation and become an Indian from a European, or did Ritiesh Deshmukh mutate from an Indian in to a European?

  • phiroze

    Siloo if you do not vote or contest elections than what is the sense in talking /writting big. My intention is only to expose those not living in Mumbai, poking their noses in Bombay Parsi Panchayat affairs.

  • phiroze

    Siloo if you do not vote or contest elections than what is the sense in talking /writting big. My intention is only to expose those not living in Mumbai, poking their noses in Bombay Parsi Panchayat affairs.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    “WHERE IS THE RELIGION OF AHURAMAZDA.  Why did he not protect these innocent people.   Let the religion take its natural path to extinction, why create artificial temporary remedies.”Thank you for your comment above. And there you have it.  That is what you really believe.  That the religion is all gupsup.  Perhaps you are an atheist.  Of course, that is fine, but stop prancing around under the guise of a Parsi.  Any REAL Parsi will want to spread the faith and keep the religion alive.  But to you, no doubt, it is all nonsense.  Again, fine.  Perhaps you should join another religion that you believe is not failing its followers, or join an atheist organization.  Nothing wrong with that.  At least that way you will feel more comfortable and be more truthful to yourself and others.  

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  • Siloo Kapadia

    “WHERE IS THE RELIGION OF AHURAMAZDA.  Why did he not protect these innocent people.   Let the religion take its natural path to extinction, why create artificial temporary remedies.”Thank you for your comment above. And there you have it.  That is what you really believe.  That the religion is all gupsup.  Perhaps you are an atheist.  Of course, that is fine, but stop prancing around under the guise of a Parsi.  Any REAL Parsi will want to spread the faith and keep the religion alive.  But to you, no doubt, it is all nonsense.  Again, fine.  Perhaps you should join another religion that you believe is not failing its followers, or join an atheist organization.  Nothing wrong with that.  At least that way you will feel more comfortable and be more truthful to yourself and others.  

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  • Piloomani

    Barack Aga

    Please note that some important personalities make a fool of all religions.  It is just a show.  By the fact that the last marriage was held in a church means that now both are Christains as per Christain traditions.  It is a just publicity stunt in a film world  where marriages do not last long.  Here people marry according to one tradition and when they are fed up with the person that person he/she is quietly dumped.  By the way if you follow this marriage the children if any born out of this wedlock will definitely become Hindus.  Which shows that over the period the religion of the father will definitely prevail.  But one thing which I agree is that Genelia D’Souza will definitely not take her community and religion to the court for cheap publicity. 

  • Piloomani

    Barack Aga

    Please note that some important personalities make a fool of all religions.  It is just a show.  By the fact that the last marriage was held in a church means that now both are Christains as per Christain traditions.  It is a just publicity stunt in a film world  where marriages do not last long.  Here people marry according to one tradition and when they are fed up with the person that person he/she is quietly dumped.  By the way if you follow this marriage the children if any born out of this wedlock will definitely become Hindus.  Which shows that over the period the religion of the father will definitely prevail.  But one thing which I agree is that Genelia D’Souza will definitely not take her community and religion to the court for cheap publicity. 

  • phiroze

    Siloo dekree, how would you know if one of the spouse converts before the wedding? No church or masjid will marry a non christian or muslim.

  • phiroze

    Siloo dekree, how would you know if one of the spouse converts before the wedding? No church or masjid will marry a non christian or muslim.

  • phiroze

    Siloo dekree please specify as in name the converted husband who go to pray. Why should we believe your gusup?

  • phiroze

    Siloo dekree please specify as in name the converted husband who go to pray. Why should we believe your gusup?

  • Rashna.

    Phiroze,
    If a Parsee male has married a non Parsee female, then according to your thinking (!), such a lady has adopted the Religion of her husband. Right or wrong. No daastan.

  • Rashna.

    Phiroze,
    If a Parsee male has married a non Parsee female, then according to your thinking (!), such a lady has adopted the Religion of her husband. Right or wrong. No daastan.

  • Barak Aga

    Piloomani,
    Are you implying that J. R. D. Tata made a fool the Zoroastrian religion? Are the Wadia’s, the Godrej’s who provide ready employment to lazy, “Dhansaakiya” Parsis, also making a fool of the religion?
    Did J. R. D. Tata’s parents dump each other? Did Mr. Naval Tata dump his American wife? Did Shapoorji Pallonji Mistry’s son, Cyrus Mistry, dump his wife (who is half Muslim – half Parsi)?
    Genelia D’Souza won’t have any need to take the Christian clergy to court as they are not even half as racist and oafish as a section of the Parsi clergy. Genelia’s husband, Ritesh Deshmukh a Hindu, was openly welcomed in to the Christian Church, and even had his wedding solemnised there. Contrast this with the plight of poor Gulrukh, who though being a Zoroastrian, is forbidden from entering a Zoroastrian place of worship.

  • Barak Aga

    Piloomani,
    Are you implying that J. R. D. Tata made a fool the Zoroastrian religion? Are the Wadia’s, the Godrej’s who provide ready employment to lazy, “Dhansaakiya” Parsis, also making a fool of the religion?
    Did J. R. D. Tata’s parents dump each other? Did Mr. Naval Tata dump his American wife? Did Shapoorji Pallonji Mistry’s son, Cyrus Mistry, dump his wife (who is half Muslim – half Parsi)?
    Genelia D’Souza won’t have any need to take the Christian clergy to court as they are not even half as racist and oafish as a section of the Parsi clergy. Genelia’s husband, Ritesh Deshmukh a Hindu, was openly welcomed in to the Christian Church, and even had his wedding solemnised there. Contrast this with the plight of poor Gulrukh, who though being a Zoroastrian, is forbidden from entering a Zoroastrian place of worship.

  • xyz

    Sorry, nobody knows the year or decade but our scholars predict that shah behram varzavand will come out very soon. We just pray for the best.

  • xyz

    Sorry, nobody knows the year or decade but our scholars predict that shah behram varzavand will come out very soon. We just pray for the best.

  • xyz

    Please tell newly appointed Trustee of BPP to marry and produce children. Parsee community will increase considerably. There are many more bachelors in the community not willing to marry and increase the community. Regret sad situation for parsees.

  • xyz

    Please tell newly appointed Trustee of BPP to marry and produce children. Parsee community will increase considerably. There are many more bachelors in the community not willing to marry and increase the community. Regret sad situation for parsees.

  • xyz

    please kick all of them out immediately. we are fed up.

  • xyz

    please kick all of them out immediately. we are fed up.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Maybe at the small-minded churhes or masjids that you know of. In many others they will. I have been to such weddings so I know for a fact.  So stop talking nonsense. We all know your real agenda is to stop change and finish off the community once and for all.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Maybe at the small-minded churhes or masjids that you know of. In many others they will. I have been to such weddings so I know for a fact.  So stop talking nonsense. We all know your real agenda is to stop change and finish off the community once and for all.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Because it is real gupsup.  And you know that I cannot reveal names due to privacy issues.  Nice try, but we are not falling for it. But just to satisfy you, here are a few links.
    http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1149952069.htm
    http://catholicweddinghelp.com/questions/unbaptized.htm

    Note that the people I know are NOT Orthodox Christians. Also the children are being taught both religions. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Because it is real gupsup.  And you know that I cannot reveal names due to privacy issues.  Nice try, but we are not falling for it. But just to satisfy you, here are a few links.
    http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1149952069.htm
    http://catholicweddinghelp.com/questions/unbaptized.htm

    Note that the people I know are NOT Orthodox Christians. Also the children are being taught both religions. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, give me a break!  The whole BPP is nothing more than a bunch of backward men controlling money they have no right to control.  If I were back in Mumbai, you people would think of yet another reason why I should not say anything. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, give me a break!  The whole BPP is nothing more than a bunch of backward men controlling money they have no right to control.  If I were back in Mumbai, you people would think of yet another reason why I should not say anything. 

  • Siloo Kapadia

    Phiroze, give me a break!  The whole BPP is nothing more than a bunch of backward men controlling money they have no right to control.  If I were back in Mumbai, you people would think of yet another reason why I should not say anything. 

  • Piloomani

     Barak Aga, Magin Freek, Siloo Kapadia, Rashna

    Her name present name is Mrs.Neha Gupta and not Goolrukh.  If a certain orthodox Anjuman does not allow her visiting rights she should ignore them and visit other Anjumans which permit her.  There a huge number of Parsi women married and nobody stops them from entering our Agiaries or Atashbehrams.  I have seen Parsi women opening displaying their mangal sutras and visiting Udwada Atashbehram and also other Atashbehrams in Mumbai nobody stops them.  Mrs.Neha Gupta has used cheap publicity and money power to bring shame on the whole community. Ours women folk are overpampered, selfish and never consider the impact of their decisions on the community as a whole.  Disgraceful.

     There are many Hindu Temples and Masjids/Dargahs which have their own traditions and customs.  No women from the above communities, particularly who have changed their name and converted dare challenge their traditions and customs. 

    The Courts should not interfere in the customs and traditions of any community including our submissive miniscule community.  The reformists, convertionists, Parsi women married to non-Parsis are free to form their own sect of Zoroastrainism where they can formulate their own set of laws.  This group is a very very monied group.  Why force their views on the reluctant orthodoxy or conservationists.  They can for a start their own Atashbehram..  Why not?

    Please note that in all other major religions Christainity, Muslim, Jain, Hinduism, Sikhism there are numerous sects why not start a deviant sect in Zoroastrianism.  Hope you success.

  • Piloomani

     Barak Aga, Magin Freek, Siloo Kapadia, Rashna

    Her name present name is Mrs.Neha Gupta and not Goolrukh.  If a certain orthodox Anjuman does not allow her visiting rights she should ignore them and visit other Anjumans which permit her.  There a huge number of Parsi women married and nobody stops them from entering our Agiaries or Atashbehrams.  I have seen Parsi women opening displaying their mangal sutras and visiting Udwada Atashbehram and also other Atashbehrams in Mumbai nobody stops them.  Mrs.Neha Gupta has used cheap publicity and money power to bring shame on the whole community. Ours women folk are overpampered, selfish and never consider the impact of their decisions on the community as a whole.  Disgraceful.

     There are many Hindu Temples and Masjids/Dargahs which have their own traditions and customs.  No women from the above communities, particularly who have changed their name and converted dare challenge their traditions and customs. 

    The Courts should not interfere in the customs and traditions of any community including our submissive miniscule community.  The reformists, convertionists, Parsi women married to non-Parsis are free to form their own sect of Zoroastrainism where they can formulate their own set of laws.  This group is a very very monied group.  Why force their views on the reluctant orthodoxy or conservationists.  They can for a start their own Atashbehram..  Why not?

    Please note that in all other major religions Christainity, Muslim, Jain, Hinduism, Sikhism there are numerous sects why not start a deviant sect in Zoroastrianism.  Hope you success.

  • Piloomani

    Shah Behram Varjavand is a myth of a Shoasyant or Saviour created by the Parsi clergy in  the 9th Century AD in order to prevent large scale conversions of Zoroastrains to Islam and to keep their hopes alive.  It was created as an after thought.  There would have been no need for this myth and our community would have prospered if only our community members had followed their customs and traditions and first helped their own community members and then others. 

    Also, their misplaced pseudo-secularists thinking has destroyed the community.

  • Piloomani

    Shah Behram Varjavand is a myth of a Shoasyant or Saviour created by the Parsi clergy in  the 9th Century AD in order to prevent large scale conversions of Zoroastrains to Islam and to keep their hopes alive.  It was created as an after thought.  There would have been no need for this myth and our community would have prospered if only our community members had followed their customs and traditions and first helped their own community members and then others. 

    Also, their misplaced pseudo-secularists thinking has destroyed the community.

  • phiroze

    Rashna,
    As I am against any form of conversion, adoption or acceptance it is wrong.

  • phiroze

    Rashna,
    As I am against any form of conversion, adoption or acceptance it is wrong.

  • Barak Aga

    Piloomani, you state that ”
    Her name present name is Mrs.Neha Gupta and not Goolrukh.”. Ahura Mazda’s 44 name is “VARUN”. All the self-appointed High Priests have Gujarati surnames, not Persian surnames. So will you judge them by the same standards by which you judge “Neha”? Has Ahura Mazda gone against the tenets of His own religion, by adopting “Varun” as his name? It is not Neha Gupta who seeks cheap publicity and is using money power. To the contrary it is the fake orthodox who seek cheap publicity, uses money power and bring disgrace to the community by inserting full page advertisements in The Free Press Journal.

  • Barak Aga

    Piloomani, you state that ”
    Her name present name is Mrs.Neha Gupta and not Goolrukh.”. Ahura Mazda’s 44 name is “VARUN”. All the self-appointed High Priests have Gujarati surnames, not Persian surnames. So will you judge them by the same standards by which you judge “Neha”? Has Ahura Mazda gone against the tenets of His own religion, by adopting “Varun” as his name? It is not Neha Gupta who seeks cheap publicity and is using money power. To the contrary it is the fake orthodox who seek cheap publicity, uses money power and bring disgrace to the community by inserting full page advertisements in The Free Press Journal.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    That is because you are a racist and a pseudo Nazi. “Keep the races pure” is what Hitler said and you and your BPP friends are still adhering to that belief.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    That is because you are a racist and a pseudo Nazi. “Keep the races pure” is what Hitler said and you and your BPP friends are still adhering to that belief.

  • Piloomani

    Barak Aga

    If Mrs.Neha Gupta has been following Zoroastrainism since her marriage there was no need to change her name from Goolrukh to Neha.  This was done she has converted to Hinduism, that is the reason she has changed her first name also.  In Hinduism,  a women on marriage loses here maiden name at the insistence of her husband and her husband gives her nam-karan.  This symbolises her total conversion to Hinduism.  There are a lot of Parsi ladies who have converted to other religion, there is no harm in that.  But they want to have the cake and eat it too, that is the problem.  It has got nothing to do with names of Ahura Mazda.  It is people like you who brought the sad state of affairs to Zoroastrianism.  It any of you or the other reformist, convertionists have the slighest guts, I challenge you to go to Iran and convert people.  .
     

  • Piloomani

    Barak Aga

    If Mrs.Neha Gupta has been following Zoroastrainism since her marriage there was no need to change her name from Goolrukh to Neha.  This was done she has converted to Hinduism, that is the reason she has changed her first name also.  In Hinduism,  a women on marriage loses here maiden name at the insistence of her husband and her husband gives her nam-karan.  This symbolises her total conversion to Hinduism.  There are a lot of Parsi ladies who have converted to other religion, there is no harm in that.  But they want to have the cake and eat it too, that is the problem.  It has got nothing to do with names of Ahura Mazda.  It is people like you who brought the sad state of affairs to Zoroastrianism.  It any of you or the other reformist, convertionists have the slighest guts, I challenge you to go to Iran and convert people.  .
     

  • Phiroze

    Siloo, the trustees have been elected by the Parsis of Mumbai and have all the right to control the same. It is likes of you who do not stay in Mumbai, do not vote and will not contest the elections should give us/them a break. We shall see when you are back in Mumbai for good about what you can say or not.

  • Phiroze

    Siloo, the trustees have been elected by the Parsis of Mumbai and have all the right to control the same. It is likes of you who do not stay in Mumbai, do not vote and will not contest the elections should give us/them a break. We shall see when you are back in Mumbai for good about what you can say or not.

  • I LOVE BOONAK PASBANI

    increasing numbers is not important……what’s important is to become ‘Deen Chashidar’ & prepare for the advent of Shah Behram Varjavand……

  • I LOVE BOONAK PASBANI

    increasing numbers is not important……what’s important is to become ‘Deen Chashidar’ & prepare for the advent of Shah Behram Varjavand……

  • Siloo Kapadia

    All in good time, Phiroze, all in good time.

  • Siloo Kapadia

    All in good time, Phiroze, all in good time.

  • Barak Aga

    Piloomani, seems you are far removed from the state of affairs in Iran. There’s no need for anyone to travel to Iran to convert. Many Iranians are voluntarily converting to Zoroastrianism causing consternation in the ranks of the Mullahs. On the contrary if fake orthodox such as you have the guts, travel to Iran and try and stop non-Zoroastrians from entering Zoroastrian fire temples. Also if you have the guts reclaim Iran, as according to you, Iran is the seat of Zoroastrianism, not Gujarat.

  • Barak Aga

    Piloomani, seems you are far removed from the state of affairs in Iran. There’s no need for anyone to travel to Iran to convert. Many Iranians are voluntarily converting to Zoroastrianism causing consternation in the ranks of the Mullahs. On the contrary if fake orthodox such as you have the guts, travel to Iran and try and stop non-Zoroastrians from entering Zoroastrian fire temples. Also if you have the guts reclaim Iran, as according to you, Iran is the seat of Zoroastrianism, not Gujarat.

  • Tehmul

    Phiroze.
    As is your habit, you pass comments but do not apply your mind before commenting. If you are a religious minded person then do you visit Fire Temples other than those surrounded by Colonies of Parsees. If yes then how many persons (devotees) do you see.?
    To what age group do they belong. Persons like you feel that the aim of B.P.P. and other Trusts is to provide subsidized Housing , though these days there is scarcely any price difference. How many new Buildings or to use the phrase Housing Stock gone up in last two decades and yet  there is declining Parsee population. Do you know what is the ratio  between births and deaths. Do not misinterpret this as a justification for conversion. These are stark facts which the earlier generation of Parsees did not realise and Persons like you are content in staying in old buildings of Trusts protecting selfish interests by calling it Parsipanu. Is this Parsipanu another name for selfishness/parasiteism and not to visualise the fate of the community in future.

  • Tehmul

    Phiroze.
    As is your habit, you pass comments but do not apply your mind before commenting. If you are a religious minded person then do you visit Fire Temples other than those surrounded by Colonies of Parsees. If yes then how many persons (devotees) do you see.?
    To what age group do they belong. Persons like you feel that the aim of B.P.P. and other Trusts is to provide subsidized Housing , though these days there is scarcely any price difference. How many new Buildings or to use the phrase Housing Stock gone up in last two decades and yet  there is declining Parsee population. Do you know what is the ratio  between births and deaths. Do not misinterpret this as a justification for conversion. These are stark facts which the earlier generation of Parsees did not realise and Persons like you are content in staying in old buildings of Trusts protecting selfish interests by calling it Parsipanu. Is this Parsipanu another name for selfishness/parasiteism and not to visualise the fate of the community in future.

  • Natzi25

    I agree to siloo… we can rightly kick them out……  they are just the custodians of the trust money and assets and not the religion per-say.  if the community is declining then there must be enough houses to be given in the Baugs or colonies but no they allot  several flats to single owners under different names of family members….  flats are auctioned at exhorbidant prices and we say parsis need houses by charity…. they should by houses outside the  baugs if the have money to give as bribes to trustees.

  • Natzi25

    I agree to siloo… we can rightly kick them out……  they are just the custodians of the trust money and assets and not the religion per-say.  if the community is declining then there must be enough houses to be given in the Baugs or colonies but no they allot  several flats to single owners under different names of family members….  flats are auctioned at exhorbidant prices and we say parsis need houses by charity…. they should by houses outside the  baugs if the have money to give as bribes to trustees.

  • Natzi25

    I agree to siloo… we can rightly kick them out……  they are just the custodians of the trust money and assets and not the religion per-say.  if the community is declining then there must be enough houses to be given in the Baugs or colonies but no they allot  several flats to single owners under different names of family members….  flats are auctioned at exhorbidant prices and we say parsis need houses by charity…. they should by houses outside the  baugs if the have money to give as bribes to trustees.

  • Phiroze

    Siloo dekree is in Singapore and can’t help you.

  • Phiroze

    Siloo dekree is in Singapore and can’t help you.

  • RATHESTAR.

    So you refuse to  accept the Court verdict. Right?

  • RATHESTAR.

    So you refuse to  accept the Court verdict. Right?

  • RATHESTAR.

    What ‘help’ have you, Phiroze extended so far.?

  • RATHESTAR.

    What ‘help’ have you, Phiroze extended so far.?

  • xyz

    BPP must give complete present position of housing. How many flats are available ?? How many court cases can be settled as out-of-court-settlements. How many flats are closed for people who are staying abroad and have never returned in last ten years. How many youngsters can marry amongst the community and produce more children ?? how many new flats can be alloted to youngsters. Most parsee girls do not intend to marry parsee boys because of various reasons. So our community decreases day by day. It is really the right time to take stern decisions. Each parsi marriage works out to be such an expensive affair that the couple does not think of producing even one child. How many youngsters are there in mumbai who are willing to marry but they are postponing their marriage plans due to various reasons. Contact them and discuss with them and find a solution to their problems.

  • xyz

    BPP must give complete present position of housing. How many flats are available ?? How many court cases can be settled as out-of-court-settlements. How many flats are closed for people who are staying abroad and have never returned in last ten years. How many youngsters can marry amongst the community and produce more children ?? how many new flats can be alloted to youngsters. Most parsee girls do not intend to marry parsee boys because of various reasons. So our community decreases day by day. It is really the right time to take stern decisions. Each parsi marriage works out to be such an expensive affair that the couple does not think of producing even one child. How many youngsters are there in mumbai who are willing to marry but they are postponing their marriage plans due to various reasons. Contact them and discuss with them and find a solution to their problems.

  • Phiroze

    Please send your contact details so that all the youngsters can get in touch with you ASAP to take stern decisions on their marriages.

  • Phiroze

    Please send your contact details so that all the youngsters can get in touch with you ASAP to take stern decisions on their marriages.